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Preds April 1st, 2008 09:45 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi
I think Matt's going to be stoked just to see these words in print!!!
I think it's GREAT for Matt to get that respect and be seen as a top tier squad. He's certainly paid his dues and deserves to be a condender!

I couldn't think of a more deserving person or franchise.

Popes April 1st, 2008 10:01 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it" :D

Flaxwless April 1st, 2008 10:06 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it" :D
What do I care how it affects Matt?

Sometimes you can get extra fancy.... but at the end of the day you have to improve your team and like you said Wayne is an easy decline (so I hope).... so I'd like to make that official and get onto the building the rest of my team.

Plus we're not talking a defending champ here.

Amish April 1st, 2008 10:08 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it" :D
Well all you have to do now is up the bid on Wayne in 2 days and you'll accomplish that (assuming no one else jumps in on Anderson) Also, why isn't Chatman an easy cut? Did I miss something with him going to NYJ?

Popes April 1st, 2008 10:18 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaxwless
What do I care how it affects Matt? Sometimes you can get extra fancy.... but at the end of the day you have to improve your team and like you said Wayne is an easy decline (so I hope).... so I'd like to make that official and get onto the building the rest of my team.
Fair enough. In my book, it's a missed opportunity. I like to play offense and defense, but to each his own.

Popes April 1st, 2008 10:22 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amish
Well all you have to do now is up the bid on Wayne in 2 days and you'll accomplish that (assuming no one else jumps in on Anderson) Also, why isn't Chatman an easy cut? Did I miss something with him going to NYJ?
At that price? No chance. I have 850 to run a sneaky move on a guy that I'd be happy to land if it backfires on me (I need a QB and Anderson would look lovely on my team). But I have no space or interest in bidding 2350 on a WR that would kill me if I landed him.

And Chatman may be an easy cut talent-wise, but it's a $220 hit. That's his pain, which could have been our gain.

Amish April 1st, 2008 10:27 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
At that price? No chance. I have 850 to run a sneaky move on a guy that I'd be happy to land if it backfires on me (I need a QB and Anderson would look lovely on my team). But I have no space or interest in bidding 2350 on a WR that would kill me if I landed him.

And Chatman may be an easy cut talent-wise, but it's a $220 hit. That's his pain, which could have been our gain.
You know I was just screwing with you on bidding on Wayne:angel: ... just not funny as it was in my head.

Preds April 2nd, 2008 07:34 AM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
At that price? No chance. I have 850 to run a sneaky move on a guy that I'd be happy to land if it backfires on me (I need a QB and Anderson would look lovely on my team). But I have no space or interest in bidding 2350 on a WR that would kill me if I landed him.

And Chatman may be an easy cut talent-wise, but it's a $220 hit. That's his pain, which could have been our gain.
Why would Frank care about your "sneaky" plan? He cares about his own team and not yours. You're saying he should have looked at Matt's situation and held off so Matt would be forced with a decision on Anderson? Again, why? What would the Insects gain by that? Why would he care about your team or Matt's? He's trying to rebuild his own squad.

Personally, I've never looked at another team bidding on a UFA I had no interest in and said, "oh, gotta stay out of that so he can force x team to make a decision... THEN I'll jump in on the next guy." I have, however, looked at teams in trouble, and bid on a 2nd or 3rd RFA from the same team at the same time, knowing that my chances to land the player just increased.

Popes April 2nd, 2008 09:19 AM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Not really what I was getting at, but it's irrelevant. Carry on with the bidding!

Preds April 2nd, 2008 09:23 AM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
:shrug: OK guess I'm just :confused:

carry on!

Amish April 2nd, 2008 09:20 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Liquid Swords + Terrell Owens = MAN CRUSH!!

Amish April 2nd, 2008 11:49 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quick question. Your RFA's tender counts against your cap until you match or decline correct?

Popes April 2nd, 2008 11:51 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Correctamundo.

Valley Avengers April 3rd, 2008 09:23 AM
Tomlinson
 
From FootballGuys.com . . . mostly:

Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson said his injured left knee (sprained MCL) feels "terrible" and he is unsure that he will be fully recovered for the 2008 season. He was confident, however, that he would be unable to participate during mini-camp in May. "There is still a lot of pain when I do certain things," he said.

Crap, I think I may have overbid. :yikes: :yikes:

Amish April 3rd, 2008 09:25 AM
Re: Tomlinson
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Avengers
From FootballGuys.com . . . mostly:

Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson said his injured left knee (sprained MCL) feels "terrible" and he is unsure that he will be fully recovered for the 2008 season. He was confident, however, that he would be unable to participate during mini-camp in May. "There is still a lot of pain when I do certain things," he said.

Crap, I think I may have overbid. :yikes: :yikes:
You are still 500-600 under his previous years' contracts. I think 2999 would probably be a match.

Valley Avengers April 3rd, 2008 04:22 PM
Gates
 
From FootballGuys.com . . . sort of:

<TABLE class=datasmall><TBODY><TR><TH>YR</TH><TH>TM</TH><TH>G</TH><TH>TRG</TH><TH>REC</TH><TH>YD</TH><TH>Y/R</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH></TH><TH>RANK</TH><TH></TH><TH></TH><TH></TH></TR><TR><TD>2003</TD><TD>SD</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>389</TD><TD>16.2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD></TD><TD>25</TD><TD></TD><TD>[game logs]</TD><TD>[splits]</TD></TR><TR class=alt><TD>2004</TD><TD>SD</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>111</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>300</TD><TD>10.0</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD></TD><TD>32</TD><TD></TD><TD>[game logs]</TD><TD>[splits]</TD></TR><TR><TD>2005</TD><TD>SD</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>140</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>240</TD><TD>12.0</TD><TD>1.0</TD><TD></TD><TD>47</TD><TD></TD><TD>[game logs]</TD><TD>[splits]</TD></TR><TR class=alt><TD>2006</TD><TD>SD</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>8.0</TD><TD>0.5</TD><TD></TD><TD>67</TD><TD></TD><TD>[game logs]</TD><TD>[splits]</TD></TR><TR><TD>2007</TD><TD>SD</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>6.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD><TD>99</TD><TD></TD><TD>[game logs]</TD><TD>[splits]</TD></TR><TR><TD>TOT <TD></TD><TD>77</TD><TD>526</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>1039</TD><TD>11.5</TD><TD> 4

</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Put those brutal numbers with this report:

San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates plans to undergo potentially career-ending foot surgery next week to fix the injury that nagged him at the end of the season. The Chargers Pro Bowl tight end faces a prolonged recovery time, which would likely prevent him from being ready for the start of the regular season.

I can't believe he's up to 1000 already, that will be an easy decline.

:whistle:

Preds April 3rd, 2008 04:35 PM
Re: Gates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Avengers
From FootballGuys.com . . . sort of:

<table class="datasmall"><tbody><tr><th>YR</th><th>TM</th><th>G</th><th>TRG</th><th>REC</th><th>YD</th><th>Y/R</th><th>TD</th><th></th><th>RANK</th><th></th><th></th><th></th></tr><tr><td>2003</td><td>SD</td><td>15</td><td>39</td><td>25</td><td>389</td><td>16.2</td><td>2</td><td></td><td>25</td><td></td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td>2004</td><td>SD</td><td>15</td><td>111</td><td>30</td><td>300</td><td>10.0</td><td>1.5</td><td></td><td>32</td><td></td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr><tr><td>2005</td><td>SD</td><td>15</td><td>140</td><td>20</td><td>240</td><td>12.0</td><td>1.0</td><td></td><td>47</td><td></td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr><tr class="alt"><td>2006</td><td>SD</td><td>16</td><td>119</td><td>10</td><td>80</td><td>8.0</td><td>0.5</td><td></td><td>67</td><td></td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr><tr><td>2007</td><td>SD</td><td>16</td><td>117</td><td>5</td><td>30</td><td>6.0</td><td>0</td><td></td><td>99</td><td></td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr><tr><td>TOT </td><td></td><td>77</td><td>526</td><td>90</td><td>1039</td><td>11.5</td><td> 4

</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody></table>
Put those brutal numbers with this report:

San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates plans to undergo potentially career-ending foot surgery next week to fix the injury that nagged him at the end of the season. The Chargers Pro Bowl tight end faces a prolonged recovery time, which would likely prevent him from being ready for the start of the regular season.

I can't believe he's up to 1000 already, that will be an easy decline.
:whistle:
COOL

ETA.. your numbers are way off, but PLEASE DECLINE
Code:
<table class="datasmall"><tbody><tr><th>YR</th><th>TM</th><th>G</th><th>TRG</th><th>REC</th><th>YD</th><th>Y/R</th><th>TD</th><th>FPT</th><th>RANK</th><th>VBD</th><th>
  </th><th>
  </th></tr> <tr><td>2003</td><td>SD</td><td>15</td><td>39</td><td>24</td><td>389</td><td>16.2</td><td>2</td><td>51</td><td>18</td><td>0</td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr> <tr class="alt"><td>2004</td><td>SD</td><td>15</td><td>111</td><td>81</td><td>964</td><td>11.9</td><td>13</td><td>174</td><td>1</td><td>105</td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr> <tr><td>2005</td><td>SD</td><td>15</td><td>140</td><td>89</td><td>1101</td><td>12.4</td><td>10</td><td>170</td><td>1</td><td>93</td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr> <tr class="alt"><td>2006</td><td>SD</td><td>16</td><td>119</td><td>71</td><td>924</td><td>13.0</td><td>9</td><td>146</td><td>1</td><td>65</td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr> <tr><td>2007</td><td>SD</td><td>16</td><td>117</td><td>75</td><td>984</td><td>13.1</td><td>9</td><td>152</td><td>2</td><td>74</td><td>[game logs]</td><td>[splits]</td></tr>  <tr><td>TOT</td><td>
  </td><td>77</td><td>526</td><td>340</td><td>4362</td><td>12.8</td><td>43</td><td>693</td><td>
  </td><td>337</td><td>
  </td></tr></tbody></table>
Chargers :: TE

Chargers TE Gates To Undergo Foot Surgery
Matt Mosley, ESPN - [Full Article]

Quote:
San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates plans to undergo foot surgery next week to fix the injury that nagged him at the end of the season. The Chargers Pro Bowl tight end faces a four-to-six month recovery time, which should allow him to be ready for the start of the regular season and possibly the start of training camp.
Love the spin on the fake story too. BID HIM UP BOYS!

Popes April 3rd, 2008 04:40 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Any guy who catches half touchdowns is an insta-match, at any price.

Preds April 3rd, 2008 04:42 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
Any guy who catches half touchdowns is an insta-match, at any price.
:confused:

ok, yeah whatever...

Popes April 3rd, 2008 04:45 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Clearly he doctored the numbers, as Gates somehow found a way to catch 1.5 TDs in 2004 and .5 TDs in 2006 in his stats. They're joke articles, people! Notice how the bolded terms are all the opposite of reality.

Preds April 3rd, 2008 04:49 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popes
Clearly he doctored the numbers, as Gates somehow found a way to catch 1.5 TDs in 2004 and .5 TDs in 2006 in his stats. They're joke articles, people! Notice how the bolded terms are all the opposite of reality.
:woosh:

I get it... just didn't really find the humor. Since when do people in the Frenzy go fishing as if this were the FFA?

WTF is that all about.

Valley Avengers April 3rd, 2008 05:02 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Preds

I get it... just didn't really find the humor. Since when do people in the Frenzy go fishing as if this were the FFA?

WTF is that all about.
I do find this humorous, and I tried to make them look fabricated. I have no idea what fishing has to do with it, or what the FFA is. I'm trying to have some fun and spur some fun postings from others. If its not appreciated, I'll stop. Not a big deal to me.

Preds April 3rd, 2008 05:12 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Avengers
I do find this humorous, and I tried to make them look fabricated. I have no idea what fishing has to do with it, or what the FFA is. I'm trying to have some fun and spur some fun postings from others. If its not appreciated, I'll stop. Not a big deal to me.
No worries... I'm having a rough day. Just lost my flights to Europe and had to cancel a trip which blows.

I was just not looking for humor. I apologise.

ETA the FFA stands for the Free For All Forums at FBG. Fishing is when you bait someone into a thread or post, basically like what just happened to me becuase I read your post too literal at first, was perplexed, and didn't figure out what the heck you had done until after pulling the stats myself. DOH!

Amish April 3rd, 2008 05:23 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valley Avengers
I do find this humorous, and I tried to make them look fabricated. I have no idea what fishing has to do with it, or what the FFA is. I'm trying to have some fun and spur some fun postings from others. If its not appreciated, I'll stop. Not a big deal to me.
I enjoyed it and keep it coming!!!

Preds April 3rd, 2008 05:24 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amish
I enjoyed it and keep it coming!!!
You would. :lmao:

Valley Avengers April 3rd, 2008 07:23 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amish
I enjoyed it and keep it coming!!!
Can do. It makes for a nice break from reading cases and and building spreadsheets all day long.

:insane: :nutkick: :insane:

Liquid Swords April 3rd, 2008 08:01 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
FFA = Future Farmers of America

Flaxwless April 3rd, 2008 09:19 PM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Woooooooooooooooooo!

Reggie Wayne... come to daddy!

The rebuilding is almost complete!!

Worst to First!! Worst to First!!

Amish April 4th, 2008 10:16 AM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Agressive bid on Gates (bandwagon bid :) )!!! I like it.

Side note: - Very boring Frenzy RFA action so far! S'ACD is ripping us apart for activity.

Valley Avengers April 4th, 2008 10:26 AM
Re: 2008 RFA Commentary
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amish
Agressive bid on Gates (bandwagon bid :) )!!! I like it.
I would call it a shock to the system. I actually got whiplash looking at that bump. He really is still hurt... a little bit... This is why we've got less action than SAC'D - lots of bids right at the market value.

:nutkick:


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