Originally Posted by keepers

I agree with Matt that the fairest way (if there is a fair way) to do a rookie draft this year is 1-12 in the first round and 12-1 in every round after ... Mike is right that rookie drafts are even more top heavy than vet drafts.

Matt, if we use this format I will change my vote to having a separate rookie draft and take you up on your offer of choosing between our two spots :)

Originally Posted by Preds

FYI, Mattis isn't proposing 1-12 then 12-1 12-1 12-1 12-1 12-1

He' proposing a scale that changes with each successive round to some degree.

Brian proposed what your thinking much earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Okay, if keepers swings to the rookie vote side with the modified draft order (he can have the better of our picks). Thanks!!

Originally Posted by keepers

Done ... I am officially in the camp of having a separate rookie draft if we go with Matt's format. I don't know that there is exactly a better pick in this format, just a preference.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Again, I can't vouch for it other than saying that I found it a couple of years ago and it seemed to make sense to me. If you want to create a different set of values that more appropriately reflects your view of the values that is fine by me. I was just trying to use something to mitigate what seemed to be concerns about the random draft order.

Originally Posted by Preds

I edited the poll to reflect your "change of heart" *cough*BRIBE*cough* ;)

You're still short a vote for the measure to pass... and I'm not so certain a simple majority should win out on this... but whatever at this point lol.

Keepers, I had no idea you could be bought so cheaply... I'll keep that in mind ;).

Originally Posted by Preds

I edited the poll to reflect your "change of heart" *cough*BRIBE*cough* ;)

You're still short a vote for the measure to pass... and I'm not so certain a simple majority should win out on this... but whatever at this point lol.

Keepers, I had no idea you could be bought so cheaply... I'll keep that in mind ;).

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Again, I can't vouch for it other than saying that I found it a couple of years ago and it seemed to make sense to me. If you want to create a different set of values that more appropriately reflects your view of the values that is fine by me. I was just trying to use something to mitigate what seemed to be concerns about the random draft order.

Using the chart (for what it is worth to even each teams value) here is each teams picks:

Team 1: 3945
1.01-3000
5.12-215
6.03-200
6.04-195
6.07-180
6.12-155

Team 2: 3885
1.02-2600
3.06-510
5.11-220
6.02-205
6.05-190
6.11-160

Team 3 :3930
1.03-2200
2.10-660
3.10-470
5.10-225
6.01-210
6.10-165

Team 4: 3670
1.04-1800
2.09-680
3.09-480
4.09-310
5.09-230
6.09-170

Team 5: 3620
1.05-1700
2.08-700
3.08-490
4.08-320
5.08-235
6.08-175

Team 6: 3690
1.06-1600
2.07-720
3.07-500
4.07-330
4.10-300
5.07-240

Team 7: 3650
1.07-1500
2.06-740
2.11-640
4.06-340
5.06-245
6.06-185

Team 8: 3700
1.08-1400
2.05-780
3.05-520
3.12-400
4.05-350
5.05-250

Team 9: 3755
1.09-1350
2.04-800
3.04-530
3.11-460
4.04-360
5.04-255

Team 10: 3900
1.10-1300
2.03-850
2.12-580
3.03-540
4.03-370
5.03-260

Team 11: 3612
1.11-1250
2.02-875
3.02-550
4.02-380
4.11-292
5.02-265

Team 12: 3596
1.12-1200
2.01-900
3.01-560
4.01-390
4.12-276
5.01-270

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I've lost track, do we have a number of people who are abstaining from voting on this issue? I also don't think a simple majority should prevail in this. We really need to come to a consensus of some sort. Of the (sort of) majority who want a seperate rookie draft, there are three different proposals, and some of those in the majority only want a rookie draft if their prefered method is used. I think we are far from resolution here, personally.

Originally Posted by Preds

Swords, Skippy and Myself are in the against column (Kepeprs is being a switch hitter (watch your backside folks ;))

Valencia, Mutts, and Insects have not voted... Mutts seem on the fence

The rest are in favor of some kind of rookie draft or auction (some against auction) depending on the fairness of what can be worked out.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Lots of cutting and pasting going on!!

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

After looking at Brian’s post I updated the Excel sheet to show the right values. In this case the average per team is 4313 and here are the individual values (assuming Team 1 has pick 1.1 and Team 12 has pick 1.12) which are shockingly well distributed around that average:

Team 1: 4370
Team 2: 4250
Team 3: 4346
Team 4: 4255
Team 5: 4210
Team 6: 4295
Team 7: 4320
Team 8: 4340
Team 9: 4310
Team 10: 4332
Team 11: 4350
Team 12: 4380

Using the chart (for what it is worth to even each teams value) here is each teams picks:

Team 1: 4370
1.01-3000
5.03-380
6.03-265
6.04-260
6.07-245
6.12-220

Team 2: 4250
1.02-2600
3.06-600
5.11-300
6.02-270
6.05-255
6.11-225

Team 3 :4346
1.03-2200
2.10-780
3.10-550
5.10-310
6.01-276
6.10-230

Team 4: 4255
1.04-1800
2.09-800
3.03-660
4.09-440
5.09-320
6.09-235

Team 5: 4210
1.05-1700
2.08-850
3.04-640
4.08-450
5.08-330
6.08-240

Team 6: 4295
1.06-1600
2.07-875
3.07-590
4.07-460
4.10-430
5.07-340

Team 7: 4320
1.07-1500
2.06-900
2.11-740
3.08-580
5.06-350
6.06-250

Team 8: 4340
1.08-1400
2.05-950
3.05-620
3.12-530
4.05-480
5.05-360

Team 9: 4310
1.09-1350
2.04-1000
3.09-560
3.11-540
4.04-490
5.04-370

Team 10: 4332
1.10-1300
2.03-1050
2.12-720
4.03-500
4.06-470
5.12-292

Team 11: 4350
1.11-1250
2.02-1100
3.02-680
4.02-510
4.11-420
5.02-390

Team 12: 4380
1.12-1200
2.01-1150
3.01-700
4.01-520
4.12-410
5.01-400

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I like the effort, but I just can't agree with the results. Just look at the 1st 3 picks. Lets assume the top 3 backs go to relatively similar situations. All could most likely be the top three picks, and have similar value. Whoever picks first doesn't get to pick again until the 5th. Whoever picks second gets to pick again in round three AND the 5th. And whoever gets the 3rd pick gets a 2nd, 3rd and 5th round pick. I just don't think there is that much difference (there is a difference) in the first three picks. Is there anyone (even Mike) that would rather have the 1st in this situation rather than the 2nd and/or 3rd pick?

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

I don't care what order we go with as long as there is a rookie draft. If people are more comfortable with 1-12 and then 12-1 the rest of the way or some other variation that is fine by me.

I was just trying to get as close to equal for all 12 teams as possible. Clearly some folks would prefer a certain slot over another and I assume that would be the same no matter what order we settle on.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

I don't care what order we go with as long as there is a rookie draft. If people are more comfortable with 1-12 and then 12-1 the rest of the way or some other variation that is fine by me.

I was just trying to get as close to equal for all 12 teams as possible. Clearly some folks would prefer a certain slot over another and I assume that would be the same no matter what order we settle on.

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

Seems like most people are for a seperate rookie draft.

Assuming we go with a 1-12,12-1,12-1,12-1,12-1,12-1 format that would be OK with me.

I am guessing we will use a random draft order of someform. I am not sure I approve of keepers getting the best of two spots...kind of shady to me.

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

Seems like most people are for a seperate rookie draft.

Assuming we go with a 1-12,12-1,12-1,12-1,12-1,12-1 format that would be OK with me.

I am guessing we will use a random draft order of someform. I am not sure I approve of keepers getting the best of two spots...kind of shady to me.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Clearly some folks would prefer a certain slot over another and I assume that would be the same no matter what order we settle on.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

Does this mean you are requesting Preds to change your vote over, so we can end this constant drivel of a debate...

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Looks like we added another voter meaning that we have 2 outstanding votes to be cast (unless one side can swing someone over):



If this counts then maybe we can move on to the random order generation. If not, I agree that we are just tilting windmills at this point.