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Wow. Actually do some work one day and you miss the entire debate. I'm still on the fence as to whether I support a rookie draft at all... but I guess it may not matter at this point. Honestly, if we're going with some kind of serprentine system I lean much further towards going without the rookie draft. I just don't know why we have to introduce the element of luck into this league at all? Anyway you slice it, a serpentine draft with predetermined salaries means a certain part of the SAC'D league will be based upon luck for years to come. With competition as high as I think it will be in this league, having an entirely auction based inaugural draft is a huge deal IMO.

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You know, if we didn't have the flip floppers (Keepers and Skippy), this vote would be 6-5 AGAINST the rookie draft, with the Mutts a possible 7th negative vote (seeing as they are against a serpantine draft structure).

Jake's the only one who hasn't cast his vote, but again, if the flip floppers held firm on their original feelings and Jake came on board this would be 7-5 and could be put to rest.

By the way, have I mentioned in the past 6 hours or so how much I really don't think we should hold a rookie draft this year? ;)

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You know, this is a really good point. Mike was mostly whining, so I wasn't really paying attention to whether or not he made any valid points other than he was totally AGAINST a draft. But, another point could also be made against having any type of rookie draft ever. Doesn't luck play a part in any season, due to injuries (Steve Smith breaking his leg), stupidity (Rickey's ganja tour) or a player not really what they appear to be (KiJana Carter), and these things affecting a team finish? I still also feel strongly that we should keep things consistant, and not use a different set of rules to begin the league than will be used in coming years. Having an inagural rookie auction would also have a huge impact for years to come, mainly that this years rookie class would have a totally different valuation than subsequent years. This wouls also be a huge deal IMO.

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Why are we voting for a serpentine system in the other thread? Unless I'm missing something, a vote from me to do without the rookie draft makes this a 6-6 tie. If we're looking at serprentine, I'm going to go ahead and place that vote. I just don't like the luck factor to any degree. I'll be gone all day today. I'll check back tonight.

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Following what Burt wrote, luck has a ton to do with everything. I'm not patting myself on the back, but I took over a team last year that had 1/4 of salary locked in cap hit, 1/4 in ahman green (who under-performed) and went 1-13 the year before. With some strategies and a LOT of luck, I was actually the top seated team in the playoffs (and once again Ahman let me down for making the superbowl). I beat Preds who had been groming his team for several years. Luck - yup, that and some strategy. Super Bowl winners have a strategy, but a lot of luck as well (health of players, match-ups, catching the right break-out game, etc).
So, if you all want to :bitch& :rant about being unlucky because you picked 9th instead of 3rd....go home and :crying:. Yes, I mean to sound a bit harse, but this is a game of luck. I could have easily ended up losing in the Toilet Bowl. Point is, I had fun playing. To beat the dead horse that you all keep forcing me back to, It's a GAME and we're supposed to have fun. There are things that I won't want, but we're all grown men - live with it.
I guess the bottom line question I am posing is: Do you want to look at the 'luck' aspect of the game as a challenge and see how good you are (compared to how good you think you are) or do you want to wallow in weakness and cry victim? You're to think about.

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Skippy changed his vote, but Mike didn't switch the poll. So it's actually 7-5 in favor of rookie draft.

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We had one of the no's change their mind and move to yes. That made it 7-4 prior to you vote which now makes it 7-5.

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I'll repeat what I said in the other Rookie thread. This poll is flawed IMO.

You coerced 2 teams to flip flop their stances before all the votes could be counted, and I contend they should be able to consider flipping back in light of the fact that their intentions were originally against the rookie draft but they flipped because they saw it as a losing battle (which it wasn't) or took a small bribe.

This was like the f'n presidential election, the folks in favor of the draft were calling a win before they counted all the votes, and thus swayed public opinion.

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How did we coerce? I think that might be a little harsh. As for the vote counting I think those two teams like most of the folks here are willing to do what they can for the good of the league. Since we seemed to be locked up they stepped up so we could move it along. I would have to hope that no one felt coerced!

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I see that Mike switch the poll back as well...

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But it wasn't locked up, had they stood firm and all of the votes been cast it would have been 7-5 agaionst, but you convinced them to switch in light of a potential losing effort before all 12 votes were cast.

Additionally, I don't no how you can as me how Keeper's wan't coerced even a little bit by your open offer to swap draft positions with the 1st guy who switched votes to your side.

If that isn't coersion, WTF is?

FYI, I edited the poll back to the way the votes were actually cast. We can debate the 2 flip flops, but the actual votes were 7-5 against before 2 flipped.

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That's coercion but telling a guy they need to give you a draft pick or you are going to match their high bid on your RFA isn't? Can you tell me what dictionary you use to define the words you use so I can be on the same page with you?

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Let's not bring the Frenzy Barlow debate into this or we're going to get way off topic. If you want to talk about this hijack some more contact me via Instant Message.

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I think you may have the wrong word in mind. Coerce means to restrain or dominate by force. There was no force applied. In fact quite the opposite I made an offer that would lessen someone's fears about moving forward. Now I am not ready to call myself a hero :) but I certainly did not coerce anyone!!

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Any flip floppers want to flip flop back to their original stance or flip flop to the other stance of no rookie draft this year?

<bribe>Guinness</bribe> :IconDrink

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Would you prefer bribe or influence? ;)

To be honest at this point I really don't give a f***, but let's call it what it was. You convinced 2 folks to change their votes before all the votes were cast, partially by a "bribe" "influance" whatever you wanna call it, partially to shut me up lol.

I'll shut up and keep playing along, I have a tendancy to dig in and battle from the trenches just like a few others, unfortunatly my words can be taken more harshly as I'm not quite as poetic. The reality is though, it's a friggin game and it doesn't really matter.

Half of what I say is sarcasm, the other half to stir up shit, but I'll always put up a fight when challenged! Maybe my SAC'D team will be the PITBULLS

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In this case either would do but bribe sounds dirty so let's go with influence!! ;)

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Happened upon another site with the pick value chart (have not validated it but here it is): http://www.profootballdraft.com/draftchart.php