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Preds April 23rd, 2007 10:58 AM

2007 Frenzy RFA Commentary
 
Just a place to keep our discussion on the current bidding.

I'll start off with a big WOW to the Freedom's aggressive pursuit of LT. You've already likely priced me out of the market! Impressive Matt. Good luck with the bid.

Philadelphia Freedom April 23rd, 2007 11:08 AM

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Well so far it is the only bid. Almost like everyone is on the SAC'd schedule. Oh, well I am guessing it will pick up at some point.

Preds April 23rd, 2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
Well so far it is the only bid. Almost like everyone is on the SAC'd schedule. Oh, well I am guessing it will pick up at some point.

I'm in somewhat of a wait and see pattern myself. Though there are a couple WR's I have an interest in. Just want to see who gets in play first I guess.

Philadelphia Freedom April 23rd, 2007 11:26 AM

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Well 13 of the 32 players tendered were WR's. Also, over half of the tender offers appear to be for first rounders. Should be an interesting time since most teams seem to have $ to spend.

Urza's Ragers April 23rd, 2007 11:57 AM

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WOW is right, that's 1/3 of his cap!!!!!

Preds April 23rd, 2007 12:07 PM

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LT has proven he's worth that. Also keep in mind Frank paid him 3450 last year.

I'll wager we need to go higher to keep Frank from matching.

Nittany Dodgers April 23rd, 2007 03:34 PM

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Two players in play! Woo hoo!

This is the excitement I've been looking forward to for months! :dammit

Preds April 23rd, 2007 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
Two players in play! Woo hoo!

This is the excitement I've been looking forward to for months! :dammit

Nothing is stopping you from bidding. ;)

Course, I'm not much better!

Nittany Dodgers April 23rd, 2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds
Nothing is stopping you from bidding. ;)

Course, I'm not much better!

Nothing except lack of available cash.

Preds April 23rd, 2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
Nothing except lack of available cash.

Life's a gamble, I just popped my '07 cherry on Driver. Love him as a player.

Preds April 23rd, 2007 05:35 PM

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Nice try Frank, but 2900 aint gonna net you Shaun. :p

Nittany Dodgers April 23rd, 2007 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds
Nice try Frank, but 2900 aint gonna net you Shaun. :p

Sounds like a man ready to let Shaun go.

Preds April 23rd, 2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
Sounds like a man ready to let Shaun go.

Nah, I'll be matching at that number.

Urza's Ragers April 23rd, 2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
Sounds like a man ready to let Shaun go.

Or is it a ploy to stop bidding...hmmmm....

Valencia April 23rd, 2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Urza's Ragers
Or is it a ploy to stop bidding...hmmmm....

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... You never know with Mike... Could be :BS .. Probably a :duel
Let's get this :Party started.

Late

Preds April 23rd, 2007 11:16 PM

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Whew! Popes jumps in the frey with a rock solid bid on Antonio. Love the bid. Wish I could partake in moving him higher. My favorite TE in the NFL.

Popes April 24th, 2007 12:23 AM

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Yeah, I decided it was time to get in on the fun. I've been checking the site all day. This is rather addicting!

Preds, so you gonna bid on both the guys I still own and the guys I want??? Some welcome... ;)

Preds April 24th, 2007 09:40 AM

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:yawn:

Where are all the bids?

Nittany Dodgers April 24th, 2007 10:00 AM

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No kidding. Wake me in the 2nd round of the draft I guess.

Urza's Ragers April 24th, 2007 11:09 AM

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Everyone must be on a wait and see status...

Philadelphia Freedom April 24th, 2007 11:23 AM

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Everyone must be on a wait and see status...
Kind of makes sense as some players may be impacted by what happens with the draft this weekend. Otherwise, I don't get it since folks have money to spend.

Preds April 24th, 2007 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
Kind of makes sense as some players may be impacted by what happens with the draft this weekend. Otherwise, I don't get it since folks have money to spend.

I don't get it either. I'm fairly tight against the cap, yet I'm out there bidding. Whats up with the inactivity guys?

Nittany Dodgers April 24th, 2007 11:37 AM

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If people are waiting for the draft, then I'm definitely voting against moving the RFA period back permanently. This is usually the most exciting part of the year, and now there's nothing going on.

smsmith40 April 24th, 2007 11:51 AM

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I think I said at the time that shifting the RFA would change the dynamic. I think it has to happen either well before the draft or do the whole off season after it.

Preds April 24th, 2007 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
If people are waiting for the draft, then I'm definitely voting against moving the RFA period back permanently. This is usually the most exciting part of the year, and now there's nothing going on.

I could care less about the draft. It's not impacting my decisions at all.

Burt the Butcher April 24th, 2007 12:00 PM

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Watching from the sidelines here. I don't see how which rookie you might be interested in will affect whether or not to go after proven veterans? Unless it's purely a money thing, and you want to gauge how much $ you'll spend on rookies? But how many rookies are actually put on active rosters the first year. I can only think of 2 who might go to active right away, plus maybe one or two more depending on circumstances of team drafting them. Maybe you're all just waiting to see what we do in SAC'd!!

:burt: out...

Popes April 24th, 2007 12:05 PM

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Yeah, I think there's really only two or three teams who could legitimately have a wait and see attitude due to the draft. I'm one of them and I'm not considering it. More bids coming today...

Preds April 24th, 2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Popes
Yeah, I think there's really only two or three teams who could legitimately have a wait and see attitude due to the draft. I'm one of them and I'm not considering it. More bids coming today...

I have the 4 and 5 picks... and like I said, the draft has ZERO impact on my RFA decision making.

smsmith40 April 24th, 2007 12:11 PM

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Preds

Depends on your situation, as you have picks at 4 and 5 in the draft I wouldn't expect that the RFA would have much of an impact, You are loaded in most positions. My guess, given that you have 3 good to great young QBs that you are going to avoid Russell and Quinn. You will pick what you believe the two best RBs not named Peterson and Lynch who are likely gone by then. You will have the luxury of sticking them on the Taxi squad and seeing if one of them develops.

Thats a great situation, I on the other hand probably need my rookie to play (fair enough given my draft postion) but don't you think tha the choice between RB and WR at the top of the draft isn't at least influenced by RFA availbility and vice versa

Preds April 24th, 2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by smsmith40
Preds

Depends on your situation, as you have picks at 4 and 5 in the draft I wouldn't expect that the RFA would have much of an impact, You are loaded in most positions. My guess, given that you have 3 good to great young QBs that you are going to avoid Russell and Quinn. You will pick what you believe the two best RBs not named Peterson and Lynch who are likely gone by then. You will have the luxury of sticking them on the Taxi squad and seeing if one of them develops.

Thats a great situation, I on the other hand probably need my rookie to play (fair enough given my draft postion) but don't you think tha the choice between RB and WR at the top of the draft isn't at least influenced by RFA availbility and vice versa

Valid points, however if I wanted to I could attempt to move up with those 4 and 5 picks, which then could mean the rookie draft could impact me... reality is, I let the rookies sort themselves out later and personally haven't looked into the rookie draft at all as far as my team planning is going. If I land an impact player, I'll adjust at that time.

Maybe poor planning on my end, or conversly, perhaps smart planning, as I'm not wagering my plans on the outcome of the rookie draft.

Burt the Butcher April 24th, 2007 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smsmith40
Preds

Depends on your situation, as you have picks at 4 and 5 in the draft I wouldn't expect that the RFA would have much of an impact, You are loaded in most positions. My guess, given that you have 3 good to great young QBs that you are going to avoid Russell and Quinn. You will pick what you believe the two best RBs not named Peterson and Lynch who are likely gone by then. You will have the luxury of sticking them on the Taxi squad and seeing if one of them develops.

Thats a great situation, I on the other hand probably need my rookie to play (fair enough given my draft postion) but don't you think tha the choice between RB and WR at the top of the draft isn't at least influenced by RFA availbility and vice versa

Are you saying you'd be starting Quinn over Brady, Peterson over Alexander, or Johnson over Driver? I haven't looked at your roster, but come on.....

Popes April 24th, 2007 01:00 PM

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Brian made a good point to me that I hadn't considered. Not only are the people with high picks maybe eyeing the draft, some people with starters may be, as well.

For example, someone with Chester Taylor may be watching the Vikings draft to see if they pick a top RB or not. That could impact how solidly they feel about their current RB and whether or not they need to go get one in RFA.

Burt the Butcher April 24th, 2007 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Popes
Brian made a good point to me that I hadn't considered. Not only are the people with high picks maybe eyeing the draft, some people with starters may be, as well.

For example, someone with Chester Taylor may be watching the Vikings draft to see if they pick a top RB or not. That could impact how solidly they feel about their current RB and whether or not they need to go get one in RFA.

Yah, that is a good point. Must be why the brilliant new commish in SAC'd didn't start their RFA bidding until Monday after the draft ....

:bow :bow

Preds April 24th, 2007 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher
Are you saying you'd be starting Quinn over Brady, Peterson over Alexander, or Johnson over Driver? I haven't looked at your roster, but come on.....

My roster is very fluid at the moment, none or all of those players could be on my team. I'm just saying folks hedging their RFA decisoin making on where players land in the NFL draft are over thinking things.

Nittany Dodgers April 24th, 2007 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher
Yah, that is a good point. Must be why the brilliant new commish in SAC'd didn't start their RFA bidding until Monday after the draft ....

:bow :bow

Maybe the brilliant new comishh could have shared that logic prior to today. :D

Philadelphia Freedom April 24th, 2007 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Popes
Brian made a good point to me that I hadn't considered. Not only are the people with high picks maybe eyeing the draft, some people with starters may be, as well.

For example, someone with Chester Taylor may be watching the Vikings draft to see if they pick a top RB or not. That could impact how solidly they feel about their current RB and whether or not they need to go get one in RFA.

Sorry this was my point a few posts ago. I did not mean that teams would be basing their RFA actions on who they will be drafting in the Frenzy draft and yes Chester was one of those that I was thinking about (since I put him out there at $1,600). :)

smsmith40 April 24th, 2007 01:47 PM

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Are you saying you'd be starting Quinn over Brady, Peterson over Alexander, or Johnson over Driver? I haven't looked at your roster, but come on.....[/quote]Maybe not but I might not spend 3500 on LDT and then draft Peterson with the 1.01, maybe Johnson looks like better value

Burt the Butcher April 24th, 2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smsmith40
Maybe not but I might not spend 3500 on LDT and then draft Peterson with the 1.01, maybe Johnson looks like better value

To each his own I guess. I'd jump on that scenario in a minute...

smsmith40 April 24th, 2007 03:10 PM

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Like you say, unfortunately I have so many holes, I won't b able to fill them all, in any case I think I'm the only guy that has bid so far today

Popes April 24th, 2007 03:11 PM

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Hold the phones on that claim. I just tossed out the top WR.

Preds April 24th, 2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Popes
Hold the phones on that claim. I just tossed out the top WR.

Tops in your eyes maybe. :p

Preds April 24th, 2007 03:33 PM

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FYI Popes, a quick lesson on RFA bidding, keep in mind the team tendering the guy has a right to match any winning bid, so low balling a bid (or putting a player out at the tender as you did with Holt) isn't necessarily the strategy. In most cases, teams are more than willing to match tender level bids.

To win a RFA, you generally have to overpay, or put a guy in a tight cap situation with the match.

Nittany Dodgers April 24th, 2007 03:45 PM

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Mike, quick reminder, only one WR last year received a bid above 1800, and that was Holt at 1850 (though, I am surprised in hindsight at that low number).

Suffice it to say, I have spoken plenty in depth with the Papacy about RFA bidding, as well as not paying a single iota of attention to whatever you may have to say during this time of year. ;)

Philadelphia Freedom April 24th, 2007 03:48 PM

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Suffice it to say, I have spoken plenty in depth with the Papacy about RFA bidding, as well as not paying a single iota of attention to whatever you may have to say during this time of year. ;)
You might want to tell him when to pay attention (there some time right!!). :)

Burt the Butcher April 24th, 2007 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
Mike, quick reminder, only one WR last year received a bid above 1800, and that was Holt at 1850 (though, I am surprised in hindsight at that low number).

Suffice it to say, I have spoken plenty in depth with the Papacy about RFA bidding, as well as not paying a single iota of attention to whatever you may have to say during this time of year. ;)

:agree Good Call!!! ROFLMAO

Preds April 24th, 2007 04:42 PM

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LOL, Popes opens at the tender again!

Spite I say. Spite!

PS Brian, you are 100% correct in ignoring what I say this time of year, I spew drivel from all directions. ;)

Urza's Ragers April 24th, 2007 05:15 PM

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Sometimes I even skip your post...:)

Popes April 25th, 2007 02:51 PM

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It's like a morgue in here today.

I'm hoping things pick up once the trio of RBs expire this afternoon.

Nittany Dodgers April 25th, 2007 02:56 PM

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Hey, only 20 minutes are so until the first one is up. That should be about the next time you check back, huh?

Popes April 25th, 2007 03:11 PM

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You know me too well. Exactly 20 minutes since my last visit. Darn addicting FF...

Preds April 25th, 2007 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Popes
You know me too well. Exactly 20 minutes since my last visit. Darn addicting FF...

I have to say Popes, your activity level has surprised me. Brian said you'd be busy and not here much the 1st few months. Guess that flew out the window.

We are an addicting group aint we!

Preds April 25th, 2007 03:44 PM

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BTW, are you poor souls REALLY going to let Alexander sell for only 2900? Seriously?

You're actually making me consider matching at that price point (ie. I was considering letting him walk, but not for 2900).

Nittany Dodgers April 25th, 2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds
I have to say Popes, your activity level has surprised me. Brian said you'd be busy and not here much the 1st few months. Guess that flew out the window.

We are an addicting group aint we!

His overconfidence in his ability to focus on studying is his weakness.

I think it was after our 12th phone conversation in three days when Jason finally said "you know, if I'm paying this close attention, I can probably just do the bidding myself."

Preds April 25th, 2007 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
His overconfidence in his ability to focus on studying is his weakness.

I think it was after our 12th phone conversation in three days when Jason finally said "you know, if I'm paying this close attention, I can probably just do the bidding myself."

LOL, as long as he doesn't screw up his studies (seriously).

It's probably a nice mental break to be honest.

Nittany Dodgers April 25th, 2007 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds
LOL, as long as he doesn't screw up his studies (seriously).

It's probably a nice mental break to be honest.

Yeah, your last week of law school, the week before finals is the perfect time to start up a time consuming addiction.

I offered to help! It's not my fault!

Preds April 25th, 2007 03:56 PM

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hmm hmm hmm, really debating 1 more bid on Gates

*utilizing my new think out loud strategy*

Philadelphia Freedom April 25th, 2007 03:58 PM

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hmm hmm hmm, really debating 1 more bid on Gates

*utilizing my new think out loud strategy*
Great this like a Simpson's episode where we hear what Homer thinks. Not to equate you to Homer of course, just thinking that this could have potential. Please post all thoughts concerning league/team business here. TIA!

Preds April 25th, 2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
Great this like a Simpson's episode where we hear what Homer thinks. Not to equate you to Homer of course, just thinking that this could have potential. Please post all thoughts concerning league/team business here. TIA!

LOL, Haven't you noticed, I've already been doing that.
Just doing my part to:Stirspotand spice things up around here!

Preds April 25th, 2007 04:01 PM

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*let's see, Insects won't match LT if he knows he's getting Alexander, however, if I KEEP Alexander, I can screw Frank over royally... mu ha ha!*

Philadelphia Freedom April 25th, 2007 04:06 PM

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*let's see, Insects won't match LT if he knows he's getting Alexander, however, if I KEEP Alexander, I can screw Frank over royaly... mu ha ha!*
Didn't something like this happen before where Frank got like 4 RB's? Anyhow, let him have both and let's see what ensues from there...


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