RFA Commentary
 

Lets try to keep any commentary on the bidding in this thread and outside the actual bidding threads themselves (unless the post contains a bid).

Anyone suprised to see Tom Brady being the 1st to get some action?:wow

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Hmm, Terrell Owens opening up at 1800 is somewhat of a surprise... I'm willing to bet that Jersey lets him go at the figure. Very interesting Jake!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Let's get the RBs out of the way.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Is is a good or bad thing that all 3 of my RFAs are bid within hours of RFA starting?

Re: RFA Commentary
 

WTF, it appears the Insects have taken on my strategy of years past by flooding the market with bids on many stud players at a time. The problem is, unlike in years past where the bids could open much lower, they've bid significant amounts on all 4 stud RB's.... numbers where I could see all 4 players potentially not get matched.

The Insects 5 opening bids total up to a cap breaking $11,500 cb's! Can you imagine the havoc they'll face if we all let our players slide, take the compensation, and force the Insects to release some of them as UFA's and take significant cap hits in the process! Considering the Insects are only 4300 cb's under the cap (5800 if they don't match their own RFA's) they could be looking at having to cut a minimum of 4800 cb's if they won and got each player they bid on, meaning they'd have to cut at least 2 of the big 4 RB's they bid on (likely 3), and in the process potentially looking at 1000+ cb's in cap penalties!

With the new system in play and the much larger opening bids I think the Insects have taken a SIGNIFICANT risk.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Interesting as it looks like only four teams have placed bids so far. The Insects seem to be taking a Yankees like approach here (except for our pesky salary cap) with the hopes that others might jump in with them.

I am guessing we will see the action pick up as more people get to work and check in.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I think those pesky Insects might find themselves in some cap trouble with all those high RB bids. More ballsy than I expected anyone to be...but then again this is my first go-around with RFAs in fantasy football so what do I know.

I'm beginning to wonder the same thing...as I see all 3 of my RFAs now have bids.

:drinktoge

Re: RFA Commentary
 

OK everyone, don't bid on any of these rb's and we can all bid on them later after the insects have to cut 2 or 3 of them to actually field a team and come under the cap...lol

Re: RFA Commentary
 

also, I can probably say that I'm 80% sure that I'm not gonna handcuff myself again with TO and his over paid ass!!!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I think Harrison is worth way more than 2450!!! I think he'll go for at least 2800

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Joe, you should screwed your division brethren and let him face the repercussions of cutting his newly acquired RB's LOL!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Well... it's almost 9am here in the islands... I woke up this morning with the idea that I was going to pick myself a new starting RB. But the Insects have pretty much priced me out of the top 4...

Guess I'll just have to sit back and watch for a while.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Are you guys really going to give me all those RBs? OH yeah!

But with people like Undead having nearly 8000cbs to play with I doubt that.

At least I'm guranteed a stud RB. I hope.

Plus STUD RBs have gone for way more over the past years and that's when were were all handicapped by large rookie contracts, so I'll be suprised if any of these RBs are not raised to 3000 or not matched by their old team.

COnsidering the avaible cap on the Roster App is counting the TEAMS RFA's at the tendered price:

When the Swords match Ahman Green for 2800, they'll still have about 3000cbs to play with.

LT was only raised 850cbs, leaving Mike with 1400 to play with, and he also has 11 players on the active roster. He was expecting LT to hit 3000cbs so I don't see why he wouldn't match.

Ricky Williams is at 3000cbs, a difference of 1000, and ALexander is at 2750, a difference of 750, so off his cap he's losing only 1750 leaving him at 1700cbs to play with, however considering he only has 4 players on active roster he maybe be forced at picking between Shuan and Ricky.

So I'm not threatened by the talk of no one raising the bids because I KNOW they will be raised some more AND that the clubs will still match them. Plus, all this talk about not re-upping the bids? WHo does it really help? The franchieses who tagged them. I'm sure all of them would match at the current prices.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

hehe, I think several of us would love to set a precedent and watch you squirm LOL. Just for the fun of it I may not match and take the pick LOL!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I'm willing to bet that more than a few owners will go for the draft picks. A 1st round pick is awfully good incentive not to match a $3000 contract! :Peek

Re: RFA Commentary
 

The RFA period is a tricky mistress... proceed with caution (at least that's what I've learned)... or you just might get burned!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I have to agree with the Mutts here. This year is different with the compensation factor. I am not sure that all will pass but some may be willing...

Re: RFA Commentary
 

yup, the new system is more strategic than ever... I LOVE IT!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

That is fine with me, but I highly doubt ALL of the RBs will not be matched. We've already proven how hard it is to find a STUD RB in the draft by REDOING our original rookie contract system.

Also I doubt picking at 1.13-1.15 is really that much of a compensation for losing a stud RB. If we've only produced a couple of STUD RBs from the TOP of the draft, how likely are you guys going to find that production at basically 2nd round picks?

Also do you guys not see? The no bidding, only helps the franchises that TAGGED them.

So stop you threats and bow to my genius!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Frank's starting to get a bit nervous LOL! Can you say CAP :jailbird

Haha! :D :helmet :toast:

Re: RFA Commentary
 

the stud RB's will be out there after you have to cut one or two in order to get under the cap. That's when I plan on going after my stud rb...and that's in what 3 days or so.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Don't listen to him! Screw the insects!

"This commentary brought to you today by the school of thought that says 'the Nittany Dodgers only get better when their division mates get worse.'"

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I agree... but I wasn't expecting the initial bids to be that much higher!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

ROFL...can someone drive me to the hospital, I think I burst my spleen.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Okay well think about this: After I cut them they will be UFAs, meaning that everyone will bid on them and I'm pretty sure the prices then will be around teh opening bids I have placed.

But they won't even reach that far, I pretty sure the Franchises wont risk losing their stud RBs.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

You're not talkin your way out of this one....lol

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Can I borrow your calculator? Because I would looooooooooove to have 8000cbs to play with!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

My bad, confused you with the Wastes who apprently believe these stud RBs won't be matched by the current franchises at their current prices.

I doubt they'll keep TO giving them roughly 8000cbs to play with. But since his roster is in such great shape and he has such a solid RB stable with Green/Suggs, Staley, and Forsey he's just going to sit tight on his money AND wish that the other franchises risk losing their RBs for 2nd round picks and the oppourtunity to put me in cap hell.

Why would anyone not raise a measley 50cbs like BDSC did on Tomlinson, since you are all so sure that the prices I tendered are so high and that their respective franchises will not keep them.

Like I said, I'm not worried. The reason I keep replying is because the ONLY people you are helping by not bidding is the TENDERING FRANCHISES. Think about it, screw me fine? But by bidding you could affect 3 or 4 other franchises.

If it weren't for that fact, then I would just keep my mouth shut and watch as I get a stud RB and the others are matched by their franchises.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Just some compensation thought:

Players taken at 2.1-2.3 (equivilant of 1.13-1.15) in 2002

2.1 WR Josh Reed
2.2 WR Javon Walker
2.3 RB Johnathan Wells

Notable players taken afterwards: Brian Westbrook, Patrick Ramsey

PLayers taken at 2003:

2.1 Aquan Boldin
2.2 Musa Smith
2.3 Tyrone Calico

Notables afterwards: Lee Suggs, Quienten Griffin, Rex Grossman, Dallas Clark

So like I said I don't believe the 1st Round compensation is enough for the owners to risk losing their Franchise RBs in UFA. By then everyone will be saving cap space and true bidding wars will go on. Why not skip all the uncertainties and match these contracts where each has ample cap room.

And why is Marvin Harrison selling near 2.5k, when the guy finished 6th last year when he was outproduced by Ward and Holt at nearly half the salary, and Johnson and Boldin who earn around 1/4th less? You guys are crazy!

And people talking about not touching RBs selling for 400cbs more than Harrison? This league is truly going crazy.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I would just like to add: I killed the RFA period single-handedly!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

That you did. Bring on the draft! lol

And I wish you the best in getting a stud RB... you're actually forcing a difficult decision for many owners. I'm sure many were hoping their guys wouldn't be bid up too much from the $2K tender price. If you get too many studs, I'd be happy to talk trade with you... AFTER the allotted "no trading RFA" period ends (maybe we can get something in place before then, just not "finalize" it!). :shadesoff

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Hey, I know how you feel, I've had cap issues myself. Ever since I took over the Waste. I had Owens and Toomer combining for 4000 cb's last year. Wew...that's the last time I'm investing so much into a couple of studs that's for sure.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Thing is the Insects cannot exceed the cap for more than 24 hours. Trading of RFA's isn't allowed until the off-season UFA period ends, which is August 15th. So even a so called hush hush kinda trade won't help as the Insects would have no choice but to make cuts to get under the cap.

I don't think the Insects killed the RFA period at all, personally I think it's one of the most strategic and intriuging RFA periods in Frenzy history.

I'm loving the strategy options. Phenonmenal IMO.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Yep I can't wait until a couple more days when this all sorts itself out.

Until then I can work on my strengthing my possible arugment for "collusion" if I am stuck with all the RBs!;)

Re: RFA Commentary
 

hehe... doesn't collusion have to occur in secrecy? There's no secret agreements that I know about! Hell, I think the discussion of whether or not a strategic move would be to match or not has all been on the table out in the open!

All I know is the logic here dictates that there may be a strategic play in taking the picks and letting the RFA's go, with at least 2 of them cut and then accessible via the UFA market! ;)

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Frank, you're trying too hard. Your strategy is sound. Just go with it. :P

PS - if you're really worried that the tendering franchises are going to benefit from these "low" bids then you can always up them yourself since you're so sure they will be matched. ;)

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I didn't mean "killed" as in "no more fun" or "dead" or "ruined"... I meant killed as in "not many other bidders will be jumping in now!"

We'll see what happens in the next 48 hours (actually, less, now... 36?)!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

19 hours before the maddness begins!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Not sure what effect the Insects have had but so far of the 32 players available less then half (15) have been bid on.

Of those 15 who knows how many will be matched? Not sure if we have any historical numbers to go by (or if they would even apply in this crazy year).

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I'm betting that this year sees an unusually large number NOT matched... now, one person's opinion of what "unusually large" is will obviously differ from another...

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Actually I don't know if the number matched will grow much. The way I see it the compensation picks are almost worthless. In most cases the RFAs are proven players who have shown they are Fantasy starters, where as, the comp picks will be used to snag rookie busts, players who may not even see the light of day.

I'm thinking maybe 4 1st Round Comps, 2 or 3 2nd Round comps, and 4 3rd round, and 1 4th Round.

As a whole is the 2nd round comps will be like 3rd Rounders, and we know how many productive players we've picked from there, the 3rd rounders are almost worthless, and the 4th round pick is almost like a 6th.

So I don't think we'll see compensation play a factor in the decision to match an RFAs. The decision will be based on if the owner finds the players to be of value (the stud RBs), with the comp picks serving as just a bonus.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

The strategy I think your missing Frank is that there is a value to letting a guy go and grabbing a replacement stud. I mean, I could let Ward go and take the 1st rd comp and then go after say Joe Horn or even TO. Does Ward = say TO at 2g and a 1st in your book? It's a serious consideration in mine!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I think I am going to have to disagree with the Insects a little there. While I agree that the value of a stud player can't be underestimated I don't think the picks are worthless. If 5 teams decline to match that would make those picks 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17. While it is hard to say that you will get an instant impact player it is likely that there may be some first round quality (NFL draft) players there.

In fact based on one website (I know that everyone has different opinions but for the sake of responding) there are 15 offensive skill position players that they see in this year draft with first round value. This breaks down as:

QB’s (3)
RB’s (2)
WR’s (7)
TE’s (3)

While not everyone would agree about the numbers it is likely that this year there could be a bit of value in the compensatory picks. Is it enough value to forgo resigning a stud? That I guess is what are all interested in seeing.

BTW- Mike your point about a replacement player makes a good bit of sense as well.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Precisely.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I see that but really, you would not consider letting Ward go unless his price became "unreasonable" or equalt to another "unreasonable" player you have the high bid on.

Price is the main deciding factor, the picks are just bonus as you just illustrated. If Ward is 500 dollars less than TO, you'd probably keep Ward. If Ward rose to TOs "unreasonable" price range then you'd hopefully take the 1st round comp and TO. If Horn is selling less than Ward, you'd be inclined to take Horn and the pick.

No matter how you spin it it's still based on the price, maybe my first statement was flaVVed but I can say that, the only time the compensation picks will come into play on a decision is when there is a player less than or equal to the price of one of your RFAs.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I disagree Frank, I will consider a TO at 500cb's more than a Ward because of the comp... the comp makes paying the extra CB's palatable.

There is a very real possibility that I may not match any of my RFA's... of course I could be stating falsehoods, or I may just be telling the truth. Thats the beauty of the new RFA process, I absolutely LOVE it ;)!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Unless of your course you are the Freedom...

Leftwich jersey are skyrocketing here in the Philadelphia area if that tells you something about management's plans for D. McNabb.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

And it has begun!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

You've done your part. Now we wait to see if the teams who own the rights to these guys have the chutzpah to keep 'em or let 'em go. I'm betting you're going to be correct in your assessment... and at least one, if not more, teams will match these offers.

In which case, the rest of the league owes you a debt of gratitude for driving up the prices of the top RBs! Make 'em pay for quality! :clap :thumbsup

Re: RFA Commentary
 

I took a look at your cap Frank. If I decline to match both RW and SA you're pretty screwed..........Even if you dont match McNair and Eddie you'd still need to trade or cut your current roster to get below the cap. Ouch. What were you thinking?

Re: RFA Commentary
 

He was thinking you'd match one...

So are you gonna? Time to put up or shut up! What's it gonna be? (Inquiring minds want to know!!!)

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Damn JIm are you reading my mind?!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

That's an awful risky gamble.......


For those keeping score at home:
RW = 3,000
LT2 = 2,850

Does....................not....................... compute................................







Did someone overbid?

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Can be done, already have my cuts in place if I do get these two.

I'd be willing to sit on them and take the cap hit, until I can trade them.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Frank is now in a tough situation, and I feel for him to a degree, but I have to say, his ballsy moves on the opening day of the RFA period has made this the most entertaining, intruiging, and fun RFA periods in league history!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

From the man who just cost him another $160...

For pile on value John Hall is still out there (of course that would only cost him $30).

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Oh hell that's a strategic move LOL... chances of landing McNair are better now that he's in cap trouble.

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Yeah, Stanley should you employ you the way you are putting the screws to him.

BTW, Stanley make screwdrivers and is not a person. Well, of course he is a person but not in this case...

Re: RFA Commentary
 

ROTFL... when Sharks smell blood they ATTACK! It's nothing personal, I think Frank is a great guy!

Re: RFA Commentary
 

Haha well I already have my strategy planned out.

I shall keep you all in suspense. After these set of moves I am definatley going to win GM of the Year.