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Preds May 21st, 2018 10:52 AM

PASSES 10-2 - Rule Proposal on Allowing teams to retroactively place players on IR
 
I am proposing a tweak of our IR where we keep the current 4 week minimum status, and the rolling 2 week extensions (the 4x2x2 system voted in last season), however, we tweak it to allow teams to retroactively place players on IR 1 or 2 weeks prior in the 4 week window IF the player being placed on IR was: i

1 - DOUBTFUL or OUT on final injury report for the prior week(s) as well as the current week
2 - INACTIVE for the previous 1 or 2 weeks by their NFL team
&
3 - was not started by their Frenzy team in either of the applicable preceding weeks.

With this proposed tweak to our system, IR players will still miss a minimum of 4 games for their Frenzy teams. Leagues like the NHL allow this. I think the NBA and MLB might as well?

IMO, the 4 week minimum is a huge detriment to placing players with legitimate week to week injuries on IR that are simply too unknown as to how long they'll be out. This hurts doubly when they end up having a more longterm injury than anyone knew yet you fear placing the player on IR each week as he could return within the 4 week window. Jordan Reed is a prime example, though there are many others.

In summary: this vote is to allow teams to retroactively place a player on IR 1 or 2 weeks prior IF:
the Player was DOUBTFUL or OUT on final injury report(s) & INACTIVE for the week(s) by their NFL team in the preceding week(s)

and

the Player was not started by their Frenzy team in the preceding week(s)
The team placing a player on retroactive IR must provide the necessary link(s) from MFL linked article(s) and/or Injury Reports at the time the player is placed on retroactive IR. Failure to submit proof of eligibility in the post where the player is retroactively placed on IR will void the move and the player will not be eligible for retroactive IR until the following week at the earliest.

An example of how this system would work:

SCENARIO 1 - Player A has an injury and is listed OUT in the final injury report and is INACTIVE week 4 for his NFL team. Week 5 this player is again listed as doubtful, and ends up INACTIVE again. Week 6 player is again doubtful on the NFL injury report.... Team A has the option to place Player A on IR with their 4 week minimum IR stay backdated to week 4 and extending to week 8 before the 2 week renewals come in. This shortens the remaining IR term to 2 weeks for this player, though the player will have missed at least 4 weeks playing time for their Frenzy team.

SCENARIO 2 - Player A has an injury and is listed OUT in the final injury report INACTIVE week 7 for his NFL team. Week 8 this player is again listed as OUT on the NFL injury report.... Team A has the option to place Player A on IR with their 4 week minimum IR stay backdated to week 7 and extending to week 11 before the 2 week renewals come in. This shortens the remaining IR term to 3 weeks for this player, though the player will have missed at least 4 weeks playing time for their Frenzy team.

The 4x2x2 system otherwise remains in place.

Burt the Butcher May 21st, 2018 01:12 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Sounds good to me...does NFL.com keep history of their weekly reports for us to use to know that backdate is valid?

Preds May 21st, 2018 01:19 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher (Post 145122)
Sounds good to me...does NFL.com keep history of their weekly reports for us to use to know that backdate is valid?

MFL allows you to pull up news article on players up to 99 days back which should provide the data for players injury status as well as inactive status.

Burt the Butcher May 21st, 2018 01:29 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds (Post 145124)
MFL allows you to pull up news article on players up to 99 days back which should provide the data for players injury status as well as inactive status.

:rockon:

Royal Hawaiian Opihi May 21st, 2018 02:15 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
sure. makes sense.

Bounty Hunter May 21st, 2018 03:36 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
You telling me teams have IR slots to use this way instead of using them on players that are lost for the season?

For the betterment of the league I would support this as long as the record keeping is not cumbersom and create a hardship on someone.

Preds May 21st, 2018 03:40 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bounty Hunter (Post 145140)
You telling me teams have IR slots to use this way instead of using them on players that are lost for the season?

For the betterment of the league I would support this as long as the record keeping is not cumbersom and create a hardship on someone.

Teams have 2 IR slots that can be used at any one point in time on any eligible player (not necessarily players lost the entire season).

I don't think this is any more work than a regular IR move for Chuck, especially since the burden of proof is on the team looking to backdate the 1-2 weeks for the IR move. I'd suggest teams looking to do this submit the evidence supporting the move when they make the move.

Burt the Butcher May 21st, 2018 04:18 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds (Post 145141)
I'd suggest teams looking to do this submit the evidence supporting the move when they make the move.

Good idea

Bounty Hunter May 21st, 2018 06:31 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
[quote=Preds;145141]Teams have 2 IR slots that can be used at any one point in time on any eligible player (not necessarily players lost the entire season).

Seems every year I use my slots on players that are lost for the year and never return them. Thats what I was referring to.

Preds May 21st, 2018 06:33 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
[quote=Bounty Hunter;145144]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds (Post 145141)
Teams have 2 IR slots that can be used at any one point in time on any eligible player (not necessarily players lost the entire season).

Seems every year I use my slots on players that are lost for the year and never return them. Thats what I was referring to.

I figured as much, but took the bait just in case... LOL

Bounty Hunter May 21st, 2018 08:17 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
[quote=Preds;145145]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bounty Hunter (Post 145144)
I figured as much, but took the bait just in case... LOL

I should have used the :rolleyes:

Liquid Swords May 21st, 2018 08:24 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
I think all players placed on IR retroactively must provide the necessary link from MFL linked article in IR post.

Preds May 21st, 2018 08:40 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords (Post 145147)
I think all players placed on IR retroactively must provide the necessary link from MFL linked article in IR post.

I think that’s a good add to the rule details.

Preds May 21st, 2018 09:06 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords (Post 145147)
I think all players placed on IR retroactively must provide the necessary link from MFL linked article in IR post.

I added the following to the rule description:

The team placing a player on retroactive IR must provide the necessary link(s) from MFL linked article(s) and/or Injury Reports at the time the player is placed on retroactive IR. Failure to submit proof of eligibility in the post where the player is retroactively placed on IR will void the move and the player will not be eligible for retroactive IR until the following week at the earliest.

chasmvp19 May 21st, 2018 10:37 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
On plane...this is a lot...look later if I make flight....Houston weather killing my flights...

chasmvp19 May 22nd, 2018 04:17 AM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
So...this link thing will have to be taught to ALL the new guys...rooster, me, maybe a Bee...I have tried to link crap before and eventually just give up because I am dumber than my machines...

Preds May 22nd, 2018 10:07 AM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chasmvp19 (Post 145153)
So...this link thing will have to be taught to ALL the new guys...rooster, me, maybe a Bee...I have tried to link crap before and eventually just give up because I am dumber than my machines...

Linking is easy.

In a separate tab of your browser open up whatever it is you're linking (like a news article). Highlight and Copy the entire URL in the browser window (if using windows you can copy with CTRL-C or Right click then select Copy).

Then click back to your new post here on the boards, in the format bar for Messages, there is a globe with a little chain-link symbol (looks like an infinity sign). You can click that and paste whatever link you just copied (CTRL-V to paste, or Right Click then select Paste). Hit enter... bam, you have a linked URL in your post.

BTW the process to post pics is similar, you copy the URL for an image, then click the yellow Mountain button next to the globe and paste the link for the image with CTR-V.

chasmvp19 May 26th, 2018 02:03 AM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
So since there was changes to the original rule change proposal...does this need to be voted on again to get a real final product passed???

Just trying to get ahead of what my part will be since the basic rule is on the thread I update...the changes should be incorporated so owners can see everything on one page IMO....this helps answer potential questions ahead of time. Understanding tougher questions run through the leadership group for interpretation.

Let me know when we are a go and what the specifics are....thanks!

Burt the Butcher May 26th, 2018 12:10 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
I think maybe we can just ask if anyone objects to this change in the rule? It's really not a change to the rule intent itself, just in the way it's managed.. Makes administration easier

I have also updated the rule book.. Just need to add this, and the section of past winners and we should be able to upload it.

chasmvp19 May 26th, 2018 01:35 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Giddyup...lol

Royal Hawaiian Opihi May 26th, 2018 01:54 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
:agree:

Preds May 29th, 2018 11:16 AM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Needs votes from Freedom and Bees still

Preds May 30th, 2018 11:31 PM

Re: Rule Proposal - Small tweak to IR Rules
 
Proposal PASSES 10-2 and will be effective for the current season.


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