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Old July 1st, 2020, 03:31 PM   #1
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Fake News Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

As this trade involves an RFA - it will be a 2 part deal.

1st Part:
Chickens gives 2020 pick 2.2 and 2021 4th round pick
Bees gives 2021 4th round pick

2nd Part to take place after RFA trading is allowed:
Chickens give QB Mitchel Trubisky, CHI 227cb/2 yrs
Bees give QB Russell Wilson, SEA 1050cb/? yrs

Mike to confirm
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Old July 1st, 2020, 03:48 PM   #2
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Old July 1st, 2020, 04:06 PM   #3
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So the above Part 2 means that the team that acquired the RFA player is required to carry the salary until the after the RFA trade deadline - correct?
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So apparently this is not valid trade, as the powers that be suggested both trades should be even.

So we have a gentleman's agreement - I pick his player, and we trade straight up for Wilson after RFA trade ban has lifted
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So the above Part 2 means that the team that acquired the RFA player is required to carry the salary until the after the RFA trade deadline - correct?
This deal was nixed after discussion. Burt will be drafting the guy Mike Six wants and then trading him for the RFA at the end of the off-season.
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Can a certain team cancel a trade they regret? Asking for a friend



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Old July 1st, 2020, 04:54 PM   #7
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Default Re: Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

New deal will be Ruggs for Wilson, after RFA trading ban is lifted.
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Old July 2nd, 2020, 07:51 AM   #8
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Default Re: Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

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As this trade involves an RFA - it will be a 2 part deal.

1st Part:
Chickens gives 2020 pick 2.2 and 2021 4th round pick
Bees gives 2021 4th round pick

2nd Part to take place after RFA trading is allowed:
Chickens give QB Mitchel Trubisky, CHI 227cb/2 yrs
Bees give QB Russell Wilson, SEA 1050cb/? yrs

Mike to confirm
To verify so I can get a better understanding of the RFA No-Trade rule.

This trade was cancelled because both trades were not even. - not because an RFA player was involved. The "future" trade portion would be allowed if Part1 and Part2 would have both been reasonably even.

So... an RFA player can be included in a trade today as a Part1 & Part2 deal, with the condition that both parts are even? It would just mean that the RFA portion of the deal would not go into effect until after the RFA no-trade deadline.

Basically this would be a trade today for draft picks (or players) with an official (on the books) gentlemen's agreement to a second part of the deal?

Is this correct?
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To verify so I can get a better understanding of the RFA No-Trade rule.

This trade was cancelled because both trades were not even. - not because an RFA player was involved. The "future" trade portion would be allowed if Part1 and Part2 would have both been reasonably even.

So... an RFA player can be included in a trade today as a Part1 & Part2 deal, with the condition that both parts are even? It would just mean that the RFA portion of the deal would not go into effect until after the RFA no-trade deadline.

Basically this would be a trade today for draft picks (or players) with an official (on the books) gentlemen's agreement to a second part of the deal?

Is this correct?
Yes but the team trading the RFA has to keep them on their cap throughout the off-season. The trade wouldn’t take effect until the first day of the in-season period.
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Default Re: Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

It’s about being responsible for cap through certain periods...
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It’s about being responsible for cap through certain periods...
Exactly. You win or retain a RFA and you take on that cap responsibility for the remainder of the off-season and the only out is to cut the player. The day the In-Season starts you can trade or IR the player if necessary.
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Default Re: Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

Yes I agree, it is a silly rule!!
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Yes I agree, it is a silly rule!!
Blame the guy who initiated sign and trade RFA deals (which I'll note WERE NOT illegal at the time)!

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Default Re: Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

I tried to go down the RFA track last season and was denied...so unless there is a rule change - this is what we have...you can protest and even get unruly...RFA caps matter!!!
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Old July 3rd, 2020, 11:30 AM   #15
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Are declarations due before or after RFA's can be traded?
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Before, I believe.
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Are declarations due before or after RFA's can be traded?
Always before any trade. Same for Rookies and UFAs.
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Always before any trade. Same for Rookies and UFAs.
I mean, trading one of my Rookie picks, do I need to place him on TS or active with years assigned before trade is executed?
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Yes. So communicate with the trading partner as to what he’d like.
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Yes. So communicate with the trading partner as to what he’d like.
So if he wants rookie to have 5 years, I need room either on my TS/PS or Active roster for not only salary, but years also?

If i only have room on my active roster, can he still put rookie on his TS without penalty?
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Default Re: Bees Sting Chickens **TRADE CANCELLED**

Oops... I answered without reading the final question.
Great question. If you put a rookie on your roster, he can still be traded... but can he be dropped back to the TS? I think the rules cover that. I think it’s permissible. He’d just have to take the salary increase for moving him back to TS.

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Looks like our timelines will need to be adjusted, as I just read NFL is only having 2 game preseason?
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