Move IR ending date to Apr 1 @ 12:00am - Passes 8-1

[Popes]

Currently the rules say the following (in the section "10. Injured Reserve"):

"By the start of the next rookie draft, each franchise must clear IR and have no more than sixteen [will update to 18] players on their roster."

I believe we need to change this to say "On Apr 1 @ 12:00am, all players still on IR will be automatically moved to the active roster. If a team doesn't have room on their active roster, they must make room within 24 hours or face penalties."

Here's why. As structured currently, teams with players on IR get an unfair cap salary cushion during the RFA period. Examples (I'll use myself, as I have two guys on IR and probably have the most to gain by the current system):

1. Mark Clayton is on my IR and only counting as $266 against my cap (rather than $531, his 2008 salary). By leaving him there through the entire RFA period, I have $265 more in cap space than I should really have.

2. Javon Walker is on my IR with an expiring contract. Let's say I plan to RFA tag him at the 2nd level ($1200). Since the rules don't specify otherwise, I can leave him on my IR through the RFA period and probably only count him as $600 (half his "salary").

This is a loophole we should close. When the season resets on April 1, everything should reset. IR guys shouldn't get an extra month of cushion. If anyone has some good arguments why we shouldn't change, please discuss here in the voting thread.

I would like to close this loophole before we hit RFA declaration time.

[Nittany Dodgers]

I voted yes as well, and I will be hurt by this with Caddy this season.

I never understood why we waited until the draft. The draft seems an arbitrary time frame to move players off IR. I think this should be aligned with the start of the new season. Injuries, along with contracts, cap penalties, etc, should all reset at the same time, the start of the new season.

[Popes]

BTW, I forgot to make the poll results viewable when I created the poll. My bad. I don't seem to be able to change it now that it's done.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Makes perfect sense. Thanks.

[Flaxwless]

Voted for. Makes sense.

[Flaxwless]

I would like ot change my vote from "YES" to "NO" b/c after looking at the app I have realized why this rule was made in the 1st place.

If this rule is put into place teams would have to clear CAP SPACE and/or contract years to fit the IR players before the 2008 season. What this does is makes team cuts players that will affect cap space in both 2007 and 2008. Why is this unfair? B/c when you place a player on IR only half of their salary is counted BUT you only get 1 year to sign a FA player. If we implement this rule... we'd have to cut that 1 year replacement in order to bring the IR player back to active roster... which I believe is unfair as you would normally let that 1 year replacement expire but now owuld be forced to take a cap hit in 2008 for that replacement player.

I understand the intent of the rule and support it, but the contract year part is where it gets dicey.

I would be in favor of a rule that states....

Within 24 or 48 hours of the new year (April 1st or 2nd)... the IR must be cleared.

What this rule does is allows that replacement player contract year to expire (without taking any cap hits), yet still forces teams to clear cap space before RFA period begins. ALSO remeber that an RFAs tender value COUNTS against the cap.

[Amish]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

I would like ot change my vote from "YES" to "NO" b/c after looking at the app I have realized why this rule was made in the 1st place.

If this rule is put into place teams would have to clear CAP SPACE and/or contract years to fit the IR players before the 2008 season. What this does is makes team cuts players that will affect cap space in both 2007 and 2008. Why is this unfair? B/c when you place a player on IR only half of their salary is counted BUT you only get 1 year to sign a FA player. If we implement this rule... we'd have to cut that 1 year replacement in order to bring the IR player back to active roster... which I believe is unfair as you would normally let that 1 year replacement expire but now owuld be forced to take a cap hit in 2008 for that replacement player.

I understand the intent of the rule and support it, but the contract year part is where it gets dicey.

I would be in favor of a rule that states....

Within 24 or 48 hours of the new year (April 1st or 2nd)... the IR must be cleared.

What this rule does is allows that replacement player contract year to expire (without taking any cap hits), yet still forces teams to clear cap space before RFA period begins. ALSO remeber that an RFAs tender value COUNTS against the cap.

I like this idea by Frank.

The only thing I would say is make the date static like April 2nd. the IR must be cleared. In this way no bids on RFA's have expired and the IR is current for the year without allowing the advantage to the team to wait until the draft.

It saves a cut which I like.

[Popes]

My bad. I simply put the wrong time in (off by 1 minute). The point here is for everything to happen simultaneously (have no fear, you don't have to cut the replacement player). The guys come off of IR at the exact same time that all the contracts decrease by one year. I was thinking that happened at 11:59pm on March 31, but it actually happens at 12:00am on April 1.

I will update the poll language. Let me know if anyone who has voted has a problem with that. Frank, with the corrected language, I assume I can leave you in the Yes column.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Popes

My bad. I simply put the wrong time in (off by 1 minute). The point here is for everything to happen simultaneously (have no fear, you don't have to cut the replacement player). The guys come off of IR at the exact same time that all the contracts decrease by one year. I was thinking that happened at 11:59pm on March 31, but it actually happens at 12:00am on April 1.

I will update the poll language. Let me know if anyone who has voted has a problem with that. Frank, with the corrected language, I assume I can leave you in the Yes column.

sounds good

[Popes]

FYI, I think the "each franchise must clear IR" language is a little ambiguous. In practice, any guys on the IR when the deadline hits are automatically kicked off and moved up to the active roster. I'm going to change the language to say that. If anyone has a problem with that, let me know.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Makes sense. And if a team doesn't have room on their active roster, they must make room within 24 hours or face penalties.

Originally Posted by Popes

FYI, I think the "each franchise must clear IR" language is a little ambiguous. In practice, any guys on the IR when the deadline hits are automatically kicked off and moved up to the active roster. I'm going to change the language to say that. If anyone has a problem with that, let me know.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Popes

FYI, I think the "each franchise must clear IR" language is a little ambiguous. In practice, any guys on the IR when the deadline hits are automatically kicked off and moved up to the active roster. I'm going to change the language to say that. If anyone has a problem with that, let me know.

Nice. Seems like we got it right finally.

[Popes]

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

And if a team doesn't have room on their active roster, they must make room within 24 hours or face penalties.

Duly noted. That's the way it should work. I will add that language so that it's clear.