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Old June 3rd, 2014, 05:25 PM   #1
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Point adjustments?

I would like to throw out an idea, just for discussion, maybe put it to vote to make changes next year, not this year, since we have already started gathering players.

I think we need to adjust scoring, to bring DB and DL more in line to the scoring ability of LB's.

Basically increase the points for Sacks, Int's and deflected passes.

Maybe something like:
6 pts for Sack
3 pts for 1/2 sack
6 pts for INT
3 pts for deflected pass

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Old June 3rd, 2014, 06:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

I'm all for evening up the points to make positions more equitable. I'll have to think about the exact point distribution though.

Are there any other positional points systems that should be evaluated at the same time?
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 08:51 PM   #3
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

Just for argument sake, are the reasons to have them equal? We don't really worry that TEs (outside of Graham and Gronk) and kickers are less valuable than RBs and WRs.

I'm not against the change at this point as i haven't checked numbers over. That was just the first question that came to mind so I figured I'd throw it out there.
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 09:56 PM   #4
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

I am not sure if adjusting the points will really even it out as much as you might think: LBs will also benefit from all of those stat changes.. unless you are talking about a completely seperate valuatioin because they are DL or DB.. in other words LBs only get 4pts for a sack while DL and DB get 6pts?
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 11:39 PM   #5
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

I don't believe the point is to make them equal, just more equitable.

A bit long winded, but hear me out:

Right now DE and DT are almost worthless because of the point format and line up requirements.

for example.

for 2013 total season points:
Top 10 DB averaged ~218 pts
Top 25 DB averaged ~199 pts

Top 10 LB averaged ~ 292 pts
Top 25 LB averaged ~ 259 pts

Meanwhile in the land of the mostly irrelevant:
Top 10 DT/DE averaged ~ 172 pts
Top 25 DT/DE averaged ~ 150 pts

Only 11 DT/DE were worth more than 150 pts compared to 45 LB and 56 DB.

Basically if you don't have one of the top 10 DT/DE the position is worthless. I think a change that makes more relavent DT/DE is a good thing, but no i don't expect them to be worth as much as DB or LB.

For comparison since TE were mentioned. There were only 9 TE to earn more than 150 pts, compared to 32 WR.

The difference with offense is that you have the ability to adjust your lineup and play more RB and WR and minimize the number of TE you play. We don't have that option on D.

So if we don't adjust scoring, could i suggest we make the D lineup requirements equally flexible to O lineups?
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Old June 4th, 2014, 09:26 AM   #6
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

However, like Hans said this also pushes LB numbers up so I don't think the gap is trimmed much at all. Look at the INTs between the top 10 LBs to the top 10 DBs. The top 10 LBs combined for 27 INTs where the top 10 DBs combined for 24 INTs. I haven't looked at sacks yet but overall this doesn't seem to do much to the gaps between positions but it does push all defense up a good amount.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 10:33 AM   #7
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

Good point Hans, along with Scott's backing data. I guess it does make sense to keep things as they are.

I like Dave's suggestion, although part of our IOP flexibility is a limit of 2 RB's...I would think any changes to IDP's starters would also limit us to 2 LB max.
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

Agreed.. I think I kind of like the idea of a flexible IDP lineup, but if LBs are the RBs of the IDP then we should limit the line-up to 2 LBs max. Maybe alternate (from the current 2LB / 2DB / 2DL) flex line-ups allowed would be:


1 LB with 3 DB / 2 DL
1 LB with 2 DB / 3 DL
2 LB with 3 DB / 1 DL
2 LB with 1 DB / 3 DL


Probably 3 DLs is not ever going to be a great option, but this would definitely make DBs more valuable..
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Old June 4th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #9
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

When I have time, I'll see what kind of impact increasing the categories would have across the board...if it does indeed wash out between all positions, then we can maybe look further into adjusting the starting lineup to make more flexible. I like Hans suggestion
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Old June 4th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #10
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Default Re: Point adjustments?

The only reason I would increase scoring for DL players is to drive up the salaries to make more of the cap be spent on Defensive players. This was something that was out there a couple of years ago.

That being said, I like where Dave and Hans are going with flexibility for lineups on defense. It would help setting rosters during bye weeks, short term injuries, etc.
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