PASSES 7-5 - REVISED Proposal - Bottom 6 Draft Seeding Bracket (DSB) for the 1st 6 draft picks

[Preds]

This is a REVISION of my original proposal that would create a Draft Seeding Bracket (DSB) composed of the 6 non-playoff teams that will occur after the regular season during weeks 15-17 of the NFL season. This revision puts some curbs in place so that no team can move up or down more than 3 picks. In fact since BYES will be granted to the teams with the 12th and 11th best records. these 2 teams will not drop out of the top 3-4 picks as they can drop no more than 2 slots in the draft.

DSB Seeding will be as follows:

• 1 seed - non-playoff team with the 12th best record
• 2 seed - non-playoff team with the 11th best record
• 3 seed - non-playoff team with the 10th best record
• 4 seed - non-playoff team with the 9th best record
• 5 seed - non-playoff team with the 8th best record
• 6 seed - non-playoff team with the 7th best record*
  *6th seed will have been eliminated from playoffs due to fewer All Play wins

Tie-breakers for seeding the Draft Seeding Bracket will be the same as the Frenzy/SACD Bowl Brackets (just in reverse). Thus the brackets will be set up in reverse order for both seeding and who the teams will face each week to give the worst teams the best chance to advance. HFA will apply to the higher seed as applicable in Frenzy.

Performance within the DSB will determine Draft Position. By winning the bracket a team can move up no more than 3 draft slots from their original finish. This means the original 6 seed can draft no higher than 3rd overall, the 5th seed no higher than 2nd overall, and seeds 1-4 all will have a shot at the #1 pick.

Further, the 2 teams with the worst overall records will be seeded 1 and 2 and given week 15 BYES which setup the following potential finishes for each seed:

• 1 seed (12th best record) will draft anywhere from 1-3 (since once a team is eliminated the highest seed will always get the higher pick)
• 2 seed (11th best record) will draft anywhere from 1-4
• 3 seed (10th best record) will draft anywhere from 1-6
• 4 seed (9th best record) will draft anywhere from 1-6
• 5 seed (8th best record) will draft anywhere from 2-6 (since they can only move up 3 spots at the max)
• 6 seed (7th best record*) will draft anywhere from 3-6 (since they can only move up 3 spots at the max)
  *6th seed will have been eliminated from playoffs due to fewer All Play wins

To further aid the chances for the bottom teams, week 15 and week 16 matchups will be seeded in reverse order so that the worst team always hosts the next worst seed. For example:

DSB Week 1 (NFL week 15)

• BYE 1 seed (12th overall)
• BYE 2 seed (11th overall)
• 5 seed (8th overall) at 3 seed (10th overall)
• 6 seed (7th overall) at 4 seed (9th overall)

Losing teams will be seeded 5th and 6th in the draft (with the higher seed getting the better pick). For example if the 3rd seed and 6th seed lost this week, the 6 seed would get the 6th pick in the draft and the 3 seed would get the 4th pick.

DSB Week 2 (NFL week 16)

• highest remaining seed at 1 seed (12th overall)
• lowest remaining seed at 2 seed (11th overall)

The losing teams will be seeded 3rd and 4th in the draft (with the higher seed getting the better pick).

For example in the DSB Week 1 scenario above, the 4 and 5 seeds advanced, thus the 4 seed would face the 1 seed and the 5 seed would face the 2 seed. If seeds 1 and 4 were to win, the losing 2 seed would get the 3rd pick in the draft and the losing 5 seed would get the 4th pick in the draft.

DSB Week 3 (NFL week 16)

• lowest remaining seed at highest remaining seed

Winner gets the 1st pick, loser gets the 2nd. In this case say the 4 seed beats the 1 seed, the 4th seed would get the #1 pick in the draft while the 1 seed would get the #2 pick.

Once seeding is assigned from the DSB bracket, that seeding will apply to ALL rounds of the draft.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

This looks good. Thanks for taking our suggestions to account when drafting this revision.

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

I would have voted yes, if it were limited to the bottom 4 teams. But looks like it is headed in the direction of passing.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by A Zombie Pirate I Be

I would have voted yes, if it were limited to the bottom 4 teams. But looks like it is headed in the direction of passing.

It's heavily weighted towards the bottom 4, and they are the only teams that have a shot at the 1st pick. The 5 seed can't get higher than 2 and the 6 seed can't get higher than 3. This format gives everyone something to play for, regardless of their overall finish, and should encourage all teams to be more active throughout the season.

[Preds]

Still need votes from:

• Ramsters
• Scorpions
• Whiskey Wolverines

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Preds

Still need votes from:

• Ramsters
• Scorpions
• Whiskey Wolverines

Still need votes from these 3 teams

[Preds]

Still need votes from:

• Ramsters

[Preds]

Ramsters have the swing vote on whether this proposal passes or fails.

[Ramsters]

Ramsters votes yes, this proposal helps keep teams more engaged I feel.

[Preds]

And with Ramsters deciding vote, we have a new post-season format for all teams this season!

All teams will compete either in the Frenzy Championship Playoff Bracket or the Draft Seeding Bracket this post-season.

Here's hoping this will work as intended and keep all teams fully engaged throughout the full season! If not, we can revisit in 2023 and adjust or tweak as necessary.

[Burt the Butcher]

So reading this, if Seeds 5 and 6 play in final game, who gets pick 1.1?
5 seed would get pick 1.2 and 6 seed gets 1.3 regardless of the outcome.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

So reading this, if Seeds 5 and 6 play in final game, who gets pick 1.1?
5 seed would get pick 1.2 and 6 seed gets 1.3 regardless of the outcome.

I think in that case we have 2 options. The 1 seed could retain the top pick and the 2 seed would drop to 4,

or

we could have 1 and 2 seeds play week 17 for the top seed, with the winner getting 1 and the loser 4.

I'd lean towards 1 and 2 playing for it week 17.

Thoughts?

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

I like 1v2 in that scenario.

[Preds]

With the 3rd seeded Scorpions win over 5th seeded Killer Bees, thankfully the 5v6 scenario can't happen this year, thus we can clarify the rule to account for a 5v6 scenario with a vote on a rule adjustment in the off-season.

Like Jim, I lean towards the 1v2 week 17 option to play for 1 (loser drops to 4), but am open to other ideas to handle a 5v6 scenario in week 17.

[Burt the Butcher]

David, I am not seeing this new rule in the Rule book.

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

Let me review and be sure it is in the Frenzy rules..
Note; This rule applies to Frenzy only. I don't think we voted this in for SACd.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by A Zombie Pirate I Be

Let me review and be sure it is in the Frenzy rules..
Note; This rule applies to Frenzy only. I don't think we voted this in for SACd.

Correct - I am speaking to Frenzy Rule book
Also, the link in MFL points to old rule book

[Liquid Swords]

is this just solely for the 1st round (first six picks overall), or does this flow to 2nd-4th rounds? meaning does this set the draft order for all rounds or only the first round with final standings setting rounds 2-4?

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

It sets the draft order. All rounds.

[Liquid Swords]

Ick! Not a fan of that. I'd prefer 1st round only with rounds 2-4 being based on final standings. I'll try to remember to bring that up in off-season vote if others feel the same.

I wasn't a fan of this format anyway but also didn't have any skin in the game until this year. To me it can kind of hurt teams at the end of the season who had bad teams, were riddled by injury, etc. that decide to unload top talent for future picks...at the potential detriment of their own future draft picks if they don't have a competitive team for this draft seeding bracket...turning a potential #1 overall pick into a #3...and trickling down for EVERY round.

[Preds]

The intent of the DSB is to encourage team sto remain as competitive as possible throughout the regular season, instead of tanking at the end of the season for a higher pick. Teams can still trade out talent, but it's on them to try and continue to field a competitive team. If they don't remain active and make moves to remain competitive, they may well lose higher seeding in the draft as a result.

Keeping all teams as competitive as possible is in the best interests of the league, nothing worse than knowing some teams have just tossed in their chips and are riding on autopilot when you're fighting for positioning and your rivals are facing teams who have thrown in the towel and aren't even trying. They're welcome to do that, but they may well drop in the draft as a penalty for not keeping their rosters competitive.

And from my own experiences, I can personally say that teams can still trade studs on 1 year deals and find a way to remain competitive. In down seasons I too have moved stud players and ended up using UFA and waivers to try and remain competitive. I have ended up finding a lot of hidden talent that produces and can yield competitive games and even unexpected wins with active roster management using everything from our TS/PS squads to UFA's and even waivers.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Ick! Not a fan of that. I'd prefer 1st round only with rounds 2-4 being based on final standings. I'll try to remember to bring that up in off-season vote if others feel the same.

I wasn't a fan of this format anyway but also didn't have any skin in the game until this year. To me it can kind of hurt teams at the end of the season who had bad teams, were riddled by injury, etc. that decide to unload top talent for future picks...at the potential detriment of their own future draft picks if they don't have a competitive team for this draft seeding bracket...turning a potential #1 overall pick into a #3...and trickling down for EVERY round.

I could get behind this idea...

[Scorpions]

yeah it definitely screws teams with shitty teams, i dont think most of us don't try and compete all year, so I don't think its needed, the good teams who just miss the playoffs are on average always going to get better picks.

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Preds

The intent of the DSB is to encourage team sto remain as competitive as possible throughout the regular season, instead of tanking at the end of the season for a higher pick. Teams can still trade out talent, but it's on them to try and continue to field a competitive team. If they don't remain active and make moves to remain competitive, they may well lose higher seeding in the draft as a result.

Keeping all teams as competitive as possible is in the best interests of the league, nothing worse than knowing some teams have just tossed in their chips and are riding on autopilot when you're fighting for positioning and your rivals are facing teams who have thrown in the towel and aren't even trying. They're welcome to do that, but they may well drop in the draft as a penalty for not keeping their rosters competitive.

And from my own experiences, I can personally say that teams can still trade studs on 1 year deals and find a way to remain competitive. In down seasons I too have moved stud players and ended up using UFA and waivers to try and remain competitive. I have ended up finding a lot of hidden talent that produces and can yield competitive games and even unexpected wins with active roster management using everything from our TS/PS squads to UFA's and even waivers.

True, but I'm more looking at making the DSB a first round draft pick only competition...not all 4 rounds. Still has that "keep your team competitive" aspect but only affects one round of the draft.

[wchmego]

It's only 2 spots, up or down, you can move at most. It's not like you go from 1st pick to 6th pick or something that screwy. We did talk about most all of this when we made the rule.

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

Using this season as an example:
Chickens and Scorpions are set at 6 and 5 due to losses this week.
The remaining 4 (Swords, Pirates#3, Freedom#2, and Wolfpack#1) will take the 1-4 draft spots, depending on wins this week and next, with Swaords only able to move up to #3

So when all is done, Chickens and Scorpions slip 1 slot, Swords can move up 2 spots, and at best (or worse) the other three might shift 2 spots.



NOTE: Corrected 12/23

[Preds]

Originally Posted by wchmego

It's only 2 spots, up or down, you can move at most. It's not like you go from 1st pick to 6th pick or something that screwy. We did talk about most all of this when we made the rule.

This isn't entirely correct. Seeds 1 and 2 can only drop 2 spots max since they are guaranteed a top 4 pick with the bye, however seeds 4-6 can jump up to 3 spots. 6 can move up to the 3 spot. 5 can move up to the 2 spot, and 4, 3 and 2 can move up to the 1 spot.

Since 1 and 2 start out with the bye, the 1 seed can drop no lower than 3, and the 2 seed can drop no lower than 4.

Only the bottom 4 seeds have a shot at the #1 pick.

I wouldn't be opposed to DSB only affecting the 1st round. I think that's a reasonable concept.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

This isn't entirely correct. Seeds 1 and 2 can only drop 2 spots max since they are guaranteed a top 4 pick with the bye, however seeds 4-6 can jump up to 3 spots. 6 can move up to the 3 spot. 5 can move up to the 2 spot, and 4, 3 and 2 can move up to the 1 spot.

Since 1 and 2 start out with the bye, the 1 seed can drop no lower than 3, and the 2 seed can drop no lower than 4.

Only the bottom 4 seeds have a shot at the #1 pick.

I wouldn't be opposed to DSB only affecting the 1st round. I think that's a reasonable concept.

I concur...I like the playoff concept to earn 1st round picks, and leave the other rounds as they would normally be.

GO SWORDS!!! I like the power of picks 1.3, 1.5 and 1.6

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

GO SWORDS!!! I like the power of picks 1.3, 1.5 and 1.6

Ugh. I want to win...but I also don't want to. Damn you, Chickens!!

My frustration really lies with Jefferson and the Vikings. Their second half schedule has been ripe for huge games. I mean HUUUUGE...but the last time Jefferson even topped 10 pts was in week 9 (13.7pts). He was supposed to be QB proof. That's why I made the trade.

Anyway...sounds like there is interest in making DSB for 1st round only so I'll put together a proposal and vote.

[Scorpions]

id definitely be for just 1st round adjustment, and exclude rnds 2-4.