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October 16th, 2008, 10:43 AM | #1 |
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RB Rashard Mendenhall WR Braylon Edwards 2009 3rd rounder for Clowns give: WR Roddy White (193/4yrs) WR Marques Colston (1298/4yrs) QB Kurt Warner (550/2yrs) 2009 5th rounder Bay Area to confirm
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October 16th, 2008, 12:39 PM | #2 |
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Re: Done Deal
Confirm.
I love Mendenhall still but I think with more stability at WR and QB I can be a real threat this year.
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October 16th, 2008, 01:16 PM | #3 |
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So made some moves to come into compliance:
This was + 398 cbs and + 8 yrs Move DB Sean Jones and Brandon Lloyd to IR (-2 yrs) Cut RB Chris Perry (-1 yr) (- ~1800 cbs) Cut DB Troy Palomalu (- 3 yrs) 3 yrs under the cap Total: 9 yrs free - 8 yrs coming in = 1 under the cap.
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Agree with Flax's assessment. That said, renegotiating Edwards to 5 years and placing Mendenhall on my Taxi Squad.
B Edwards 5yrs/1359 Please let me know if my math is off. Thanks.
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October 16th, 2008, 01:25 PM | #5 |
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Scrubs if I were you I'd wait until after THIS season plays out to reneg Edwards since he has 2 years left on his deal.
2 yr deals can be done at the end of the season but before next off-season begins. 1 yr deals have to be done at the time of trade.
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October 16th, 2008, 01:32 PM | #7 | |
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Roddy White is the real deal. He was my original draft pick, had to cut him 1 year too early... so I'm glad he's back on my roster for dirt cheap. Colston should be a Top 5 if not the #1 WR when he comes back cause Brees doing his best Marino/Gannon impersonation. Next year my WRs will be SICK!! Randy Moss, Steve Smith, Marques Colston, and Roddy White as my Top 4!! Then Kevin Curtis, Matt Jones, to round out the bench. MONEY! EDIT: Still not a HUGE difference you AVG Points Against is 168.8 mine is 163.5... only 5 more points.
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Why wait? If I can only reneg with at least 2 years on a contract, then waiting till the off season doesn't make a difference. Off season or not, I shouldn't get an extra year out of the deal. Either he has one year remaining or two. Besides, I save $150 on his contract by doing it now as opposed to waiting.
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Also I hate to be the bring bad news since I made the trade with you and don't want you to feel deceive... 2 yrs left on deal = 350 CB increase that's the only time you can reneg if they have more than 1 year remaining and are on your team. The 150 cb increase is only for players with 1yr deals. I maybe wrong though.
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October 16th, 2008, 05:43 PM | #11 |
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I read that section of the rules too and it was unclear to me. I thought the league had interpreted any player traded as renegotiable in the past, but I could also be wrong. I asked Burt and he thought it was ok to renegotiate him, but if the league says no, then I'll take the slightly higher cap hit. Any other thoughts?
I'm also not sure I understand the 350 cb reference. It's 10%/300 cb to renegotiate.
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2 yr contract = they have to be on your team and receive an increase of either 10% or 300... whichever is greater. 1 yr contract after they have been traded - which is 5% or 150 which ever is greater. SO since Edwards has a 2 year deal he would be subject to the 10%/300 not the 5%/150.
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OK, after re-reading the rules, I think Frank is right. The rules specifically states players with one year left on their contract can only be renegged by a trade. Thus players with 2 years or more would fall under the 1st part of rule. I need to get clarification from Preds on why the reneg % is less...why allow a team who trades for a player with one year left renegotiate for less than the player who has 2 years left...anyone? Buehler?
So I think he needs to be bumped 300cb, not 150cb. I don't think it matters to Bryan at this point, with all that cap, and no where to spend it.
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So if you want to reneg your own player you have to do it before hey become a lame duck and that offers a higher risk than a 1 year FA pick up that turns into gold.
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October 17th, 2008, 05:24 PM | #16 |
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No problem. I'll wait until the off season to renegotiate him then, although I find it highly unlikely (short of...never mind, I don't want to jinx myself).
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October 18th, 2008, 07:33 PM | #17 |
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I'm updating the Roster App and noticed that the acquisition of Rashard Mendenhall puts Clowns over the Taxi Squad contract years!!!
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October 18th, 2008, 07:38 PM | #18 |
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So....no reneg on Braylon? If not, Burt, please remove the 150 cbs addition currently added to his contract on the website. If reneged, then add another 150 cbs. Thanks.
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October 19th, 2008, 09:59 AM | #21 |
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Clowns still need to make room for Mendenhall! The promotion of Merling does not work since he is on the PS and not the TS. The problem is the cap years on TS!
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October 19th, 2008, 12:39 PM | #22 |
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In all honesty, I believe I should be facing penalties because Swords is right and I didn't make the proper adjustments in time. I have now, but I'll be keeping an eye on the boards today to make sure Swords doesn't find yet ANOTHER problem with my moves.
Also, Colston won't be eligible to come off of IR until Nov. 1 (4 weeks), so Flax needs to adjust his starting roster accordingly.
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From the rules: If a team is over any of the caps after 24 hours of a trade confirmation, and corrective action has not been posted, the Rules Committee will veto the trade, send the players back to their original teams, AND impose the corresponding salary cap penalties. The players will not be released into free agency, but the offending team(s) salary cap will be punished.
That being the case, I believe Flax's problem is solved. The trade is reversed, he can start Edwards this week, then we can re-do the trade Tuesday morning if he's still interested since there's nothing that says we can't re-consumate the trade in the rules.
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Well when the committe reviews this I have two options in place. If the trade is reversed then I would like to: 1. Start WR Braylon Edwards and retract the demotion of TE Zach Miller (who I promoted because of this fiasco). 2. If not then please promote and start TE Zach Miller.
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You guys are really giving me a freaking headache!!!!
The rules committee is Matt, Jake and Patrick. They are supposed to review all trades and decide what needs to be done. This whole year seems to be new violations to the rules, and the rules seem vague. Trading is not the same as assigning rookies contracts, so no way are the penalties going to be exactly the same, sorry Frank. The rule about voiding the trade seems to be written for active roster violations, but for simplicity sake, we'll go ahead and apply it to Taxi roster too. Thus I agree with Clowns in that this trade is voided. As to what the penalty should be for Clowns, I'll leave that up to the Rules committee to come to a decision. I have read the rules and I don't see anything obvious for Taxi cap violation in the middle of the season other than this: "Any exchange of players between teams cannot leave either team in violation of the salary or contract years caps. If this happens, the commissioner will void the trade until such time as the affected teams can make room under the contract cap." It's been a long day for me, my head hurts and I have no energy left to think this through. I'll review it further tomorrow, but if anyone else has an opinion, go for it. And I do agree to let Frank readjust his starting lineup based on this trade being voided, so I will make those adjustments tomorrow....or ASAP...
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OK, I also found this in the rules:
"FYI: The Rules Committee shall have the power to dole out other penalties if by unanimous vote they deem an uncovered infraction deems such a penalty." So, I my interpretation of the rules are the trade is voided until such time the 2 parties can fit this trade under all caps. No further penalties apply, unless the Rules committee deems one is necessary. I think there should be some kind of penalty, but not really sure what it should be. I'll PM Matt, Pat and Jake to see if they want to step in. Regardless, the trade will be reversed, and Franks lineup adjustments for this week will be made as he noted above.
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