RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza *** RULE PASSES (tiebreak) ***

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · December 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM

Now that we have very active ownership, shall we eliminate the toilet bowl "draft lottery bonanza" and replace it with a just-for-fun, "ULTIMATE LOSER" playoff for non-championship teams... lose and you advance? NOTE: This will have NO EFFECT on the following year's draft order.

This rule change will also subsequently eliminate the need to reexamine the +7 point home field advantage for the soon-to-be-non-existent Toilet Bowl.

Preds · December 28th, 2012, 12:09 AM

Only year one for the TB lottery for me, but I think it's kinda cool and makes things more interesting.

Bounty Hunter · December 28th, 2012, 08:52 AM

It's not cool if you get punished for being bad at FF. Maybe that's just me.

Burt the Butcher · December 28th, 2012, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

Only year one for the TB lottery for me, but I think it's kinda cool and makes things more interesting.

Or more frustrating...

Liquid Swords · December 28th, 2012, 02:32 PM

Even though I've never had the opportunity to participate in the Toilet Bowl (nor do I ever plan to), I like the rule

RManz · February 5th, 2013, 02:30 PM

Maybe a separte thread, but if the bonanza stays, I think we can lose the 7 point home field advantage.

Philadelphia Freedom · February 7th, 2013, 08:32 AM

I think if this stays then the teams that are participating should be allowed to bid on players. If something is on the like it seems unfair to penalize owners. For example, I got screwed this year and did not have a healthy QB (I don't count Mark Sanchez) and could not bid on anyone.

Scorpions · February 7th, 2013, 11:58 AM

to me it makes no sense to allow people competeing for 1st pick in draft to bid on players for people who are competing for the superbowl. i think those who are in playoffs are the ones that should be rewarded and allowed to compete. Toilet bowl intent is mostly to allow people to still play. Maybe we do toilet bowl, but its only for fun, and no reward. Just seems to unfair tha tif i am competing for super bowl, and a guy is competing for toilet bowl, that he can outbid me on a player.

Burt the Butcher · February 7th, 2013, 12:12 PM

Personally, I think bidding on free agents during playoffs should be limited to those teams who have an injury that requires replacement..so you have a QB go down with injury, you can bid on QB

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · February 7th, 2013, 01:32 PM

Reminder... this thread is only about eliminating the toilet bowl. Not about FA claims during the playoffs. (Granted, if the toilet bowl is eliminated, then the FA claim is a moot point, because only playoff teams are still playing).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorpions

to me it makes no sense to allow people competeing for 1st pick in draft to bid on players for people who are competing for the superbowl. i think those who are in playoffs are the ones that should be rewarded and allowed to compete. Toilet bowl intent is mostly to allow people to still play. Maybe we do toilet bowl, but its only for fun, and no reward. Just seems to unfair tha tif i am competing for super bowl, and a guy is competing for toilet bowl, that he can outbid me on a player.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · February 7th, 2013, 01:33 PM

You mean we should actually have DEPTH to our squads going into the post-season?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Personally, I think bidding on free agents during playoffs should be limited to those teams who have an injury that requires replacement..so you have a QB go down with injury, you can bid on QB

Burt the Butcher · February 7th, 2013, 01:40 PM

well, yes, it would be incentive to keep a full roster running all year long

Burt the Butcher · April 10th, 2013, 12:43 PM

Who still needs to vote here? Would be nice to get this resolved and eliminated...the last place team past two years have been robbed of #1 pick due to their teams being legimately sucky....

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 10th, 2013, 04:58 PM

How can we tell who's voted?

Burt the Butcher · April 10th, 2013, 05:09 PM

See if Pat or Mike know...I usually set up the poll to show who voted...not sure how to if you keep it anonymous..

Preds · April 10th, 2013, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

See if Pat or Mike know...I usually set up the poll to show who voted...not sure how to if you keep it anonymous..

You're welcome.

Poll 'Shall we eliminate the Toilet Bowl draft lottery bonanza?' in thread 'RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza'
Help Shall we eliminate the Toilet Bowl draft lottery bonanza?
Yes (Draft picks will be solely determined on regular season record)	bigmash33 Bounty Hunter Burt the Butcher Royal Hawaiian Opihi Scorpions
No... I like it! It makes the end of the season more fun!	emerald Liquid Swords Preds RManz Soap Box Derby Car

Burt the Butcher · April 10th, 2013, 05:19 PM

So Shep and Matt....should we let the new guy vote also, and eliminate Scott's vote?

Preds · April 10th, 2013, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

So Shep and Matt....should we let the new guy vote also, and eliminate Scott's vote?

I would allow the new guy to vote however he feels, only negative is he may not fully understand the impact of his vote. That said, Scott voted yes, and I'd like a NO vote from the new guy, so worst case is break even for MY cause...

Burt the Butcher · April 10th, 2013, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

I would allow the new guy to vote however he feels, only negative is he may not fully understand the impact of his vote. That said, Scott voted yes, and I'd like a NO vote from the new guy, so worst case is break even for MY cause...

Yah, you will change your tune as soon as this rule has direct affect on you...

Preds · April 10th, 2013, 06:37 PM

That would mean I have to finish as the worst team in the league, something which has NEVER happened, nor will it with me at the helm. ;)

I believe my worst season ever in the Frenzy was 7-7... of course, until last year Jim could say something similar, maybe I should just shutup while I'm ahead.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 10th, 2013, 11:28 PM

I'll PM Matt & Greatshepski...
I can explain the situation to Joe, the new guy... if you all trust me to not bias him.
Otherwise, I say we stick with the vote from Scott.

Burt the Butcher · April 11th, 2013, 08:55 AM

Well, you voted same way as me, so put all the bias into it as possible...

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 16th, 2013, 03:18 PM

We're at 6-6... without taking into account Joe's vote (the new guy).
Looks to me like we're at a stalemate.
I'm going to say this is dead in the water for this year.
Unless someone wants to appeal...

Burt the Butcher · April 16th, 2013, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

You're welcome.

Poll 'Shall we eliminate the Toilet Bowl draft lottery bonanza?' in thread 'RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza'
Help Shall we eliminate the Toilet Bowl draft lottery bonanza?
Yes (Draft picks will be solely determined on regular season record)	bigmash33 Bounty Hunter Burt the Butcher Royal Hawaiian Opihi Scorpions
No... I like it! It makes the end of the season more fun!	emerald Liquid Swords Preds RManz Soap Box Derby Car

Interesting...looks like if you have been in Toilet Bowl, you want to get rid of it...those who have not, want to keep it....

Maybe the vote should only be amoung those who have been in it? ;-) Or wait to bring it back up when more people have been burned by it...

Preds · April 16th, 2013, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Interesting...looks like if you have been in Toilet Bowl, you want to get rid of it...those who have not, want to keep it....

Maybe the vote should only be amoung those who have been in it? ;-) Or wait to bring it back up when more people have been burned by it...

Easy solution, WIN

Bounty Hunter · April 16th, 2013, 06:54 PM

Not everyone can win. Getting punished just for being bad is just not right.

The Knights of Ni · April 16th, 2013, 07:30 PM

I really could go either way on this issue. If we can agree that we have active owners and everyone will be in to win until the end, then I don't see a problem with changing the toilet bowl to just for fun.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 16th, 2013, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soap Box Derby Car

I really could go either way on this issue. If we can agree that we have active owners and everyone will be in to win until the end, then I don't see a problem with changing the toilet bowl to just for fun.

That is the SOLE reason I voted for it.
But it's a non issue now.
Toilet Bowl stands... at least for 2013 season.

The Knights of Ni · April 16th, 2013, 09:02 PM

I like to bring things up after they are a non issue. That's my thing. I also like to flip flop and change my mind alot.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 16th, 2013, 09:17 PM

December 28th, 2012, 12:09 AM	#2
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,123	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Only year one for the TB lottery for me, but I think it's kinda cool and makes things more interesting. __________________ 4x Frenzy Champs! 2003, 2005, 2013 & 2022* ( co-champs with Roosters)* Email: preds1@gmail.com Cell: 716-481-8823

December 28th, 2012, 08:52 AM	#3
Bounty Hunter Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Falcon Colorado Posts: 6,845	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza It's not cool if you get punished for being bad at FF. Maybe that's just me.

December 28th, 2012, 02:32 PM	#5
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 15,247	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Even though I've never had the opportunity to participate in the Toilet Bowl (nor do I ever plan to), I like the rule

February 5th, 2013, 02:30 PM	#6
RManz Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,044	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Maybe a separte thread, but if the bonanza stays, I think we can lose the 7 point home field advantage.

February 7th, 2013, 08:32 AM	#7
Philadelphia Freedom Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 6,098	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza I think if this stays then the teams that are participating should be allowed to bid on players. If something is on the like it seems unfair to penalize owners. For example, I got screwed this year and did not have a healthy QB (I don't count Mark Sanchez) and could not bid on anyone.

December 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM	#1
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 15,365	RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza * RULE PASSES (tiebreak) * Now that we have very active ownership, shall we eliminate the toilet bowl "draft lottery bonanza" and replace it with a just-for-fun, "ULTIMATE LOSER" playoff for non-championship teams... lose and you advance? NOTE: This will have NO EFFECT on the following year's draft order. This rule change will also subsequently eliminate the need to reexamine the +7 point home field advantage for the soon-to-be-non-existent Toilet Bowl. Last edited by Liquid Swords; March 14th, 2015 at 10:14 AM.

February 7th, 2013, 11:58 AM	#8
Scorpions Administrator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 6,170	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza to me it makes no sense to allow people competeing for 1st pick in draft to bid on players for people who are competing for the superbowl. i think those who are in playoffs are the ones that should be rewarded and allowed to compete. Toilet bowl intent is mostly to allow people to still play. Maybe we do toilet bowl, but its only for fun, and no reward. Just seems to unfair tha tif i am competing for super bowl, and a guy is competing for toilet bowl, that he can outbid me on a player.

February 7th, 2013, 12:12 PM	#9
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 17,955	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Personally, I think bidding on free agents during playoffs should be limited to those teams who have an injury that requires replacement..so you have a QB go down with injury, you can bid on QB __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

February 7th, 2013, 01:40 PM	#12
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 17,955	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza well, yes, it would be incentive to keep a full roster running all year long __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 10th, 2013, 12:43 PM	#13
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 17,955	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Who still needs to vote here? Would be nice to get this resolved and eliminated...the last place team past two years have been robbed of #1 pick due to their teams being legimately sucky.... __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 10th, 2013, 04:58 PM	#14
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 15,365	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza How can we tell who's voted?

April 10th, 2013, 05:09 PM	#15
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 17,955	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza See if Pat or Mike know...I usually set up the poll to show who voted...not sure how to if you keep it anonymous.. __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 10th, 2013, 05:19 PM	#17
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 17,955	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza So Shep and Matt....should we let the new guy vote also, and eliminate Scott's vote? __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 10th, 2013, 06:37 PM	#20
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,123	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza That would mean I have to finish as the worst team in the league, something which has NEVER happened, nor will it with me at the helm. ;) I believe my worst season ever in the Frenzy was 7-7... of course, until last year Jim could say something similar, maybe I should just shutup while I'm ahead. __________________ 4x Frenzy Champs! 2003, 2005, 2013 & 2022* ( co-champs with Roosters)* Email: preds1@gmail.com Cell: 716-481-8823

April 10th, 2013, 11:28 PM	#21
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 15,365	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza I'll PM Matt & Greatshepski... I can explain the situation to Joe, the new guy... if you all trust me to not bias him. Otherwise, I say we stick with the vote from Scott.

April 11th, 2013, 08:55 AM	#22
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 17,955	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Well, you voted same way as me, so put all the bias into it as possible... __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 16th, 2013, 03:18 PM	#23
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 15,365	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza We're at 6-6... without taking into account Joe's vote (the new guy). Looks to me like we're at a stalemate. I'm going to say this is dead in the water for this year. Unless someone wants to appeal...

April 16th, 2013, 06:54 PM	#26
Bounty Hunter Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Falcon Colorado Posts: 6,845	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza Not everyone can win. Getting punished just for being bad is just not right.

April 16th, 2013, 07:30 PM	#27
The Knights of Ni Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indy Posts: 2,815	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza I really could go either way on this issue. If we can agree that we have active owners and everyone will be in to win until the end, then I don't see a problem with changing the toilet bowl to just for fun.

April 16th, 2013, 09:02 PM	#29
The Knights of Ni Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Indy Posts: 2,815	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza I like to bring things up after they are a non issue. That's my thing. I also like to flip flop and change my mind alot.

April 16th, 2013, 09:17 PM	#30
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 15,365	Re: RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza

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