Bid on players NOT on NFL roster????

chasmvp19 · June 13th, 2017, 01:11 AM

Can we do this??? It opens a lot of cans of worms...

chasmvp19 · June 13th, 2017, 05:54 AM

I'd like to get some opinions on whether or not owners should be able to bid on players NOT currently on NFL rosters....

I for one would surmise that this is not permissible under our rules - noting that this situation is not currently covered by our rules...

The reason is two fold...1. We do not know if the player will ever have an NFL team. You may say this is irrelevant, but it is not and no owner should have to compete against another owner for a player not on an NFL roster regardless of cost or supposition...2. How would one calculate a value for a player not on a particular roster? Again, it matters and if each of us can't assign our own value regardless of what it is, then you can't possibly decide on what a cost could/would be...it basically goes against most of the principles we have assigned to the rules of our league...

I am against allowing ANY bids on a player NOT on an NFL roster...

Thoughts??? Many of you are more experienced in this league and I would like to know your thoughts on the matter and if this requires solidification within the rules...just because we have always done it this way is NOT the right answer either...

Thanks...

Burt the Butcher · June 13th, 2017, 08:43 AM

The rules state:
"Any NFL player is eligible."

So if a player is not signed by an NFL team, he is NOT an NFL player. Pretty clear I think.

Liquid Swords · June 13th, 2017, 08:53 AM

Hmmm...never thought about that. So I guess that means we can't open bidding on a FA (e.g., Eric Decker who was released by Jets) until he signs with another team?

Preds · June 13th, 2017, 09:12 AM

We always gone by the axiom that once a player has been exposed to the NFL Draft, or the NFL Supplemental draft, they are then exposed to Frenzy Rookie or Supplemental drafts. If they go unpicked, they are then eligible for UFA status in Frenzy.

Further any player that has had a contract in Frenzy in the past is eligible to be bid on in the future, so a case like Decker or any other homeless NFL UFA is eligible to be bid on.

chasmvp19 · June 13th, 2017, 01:51 PM

Put it in writing in the rules...we can't hold your feet to the fire on an axiom...

I dont like it...

If on NFL roster - then able to bid...that is nice and clear...

Preds · June 13th, 2017, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasmvp19

Put it in writing in the rules...we can't hold your feet to the fire on an axiom...

I dont like it...

If on NFL roster - then able to bid...that is nice and clear...

All I can tell you is how we've applied UFA status for 15+ years in the league. I don't have the energy or time to rewrite the rules, I think Burt had done a redraft but dont know where it ended up.

Based on past precedents, which is how we handle a lot of gray areas, the description I gave above is accurate, and non-rostered NFL playes CAN be bid on and extended contracts as long as they've been exposed to our drafts at one point or another.

Scorpions · June 13th, 2017, 02:42 PM

I don't see why its even an issue. its a little risky to bid on a guy whos not on a team, but can pay off if he does land in a good spot. As far back as I can recall we have been bidding on players in this manner going years back. so I see no need for a rules update regarding this.

Burt the Butcher · June 13th, 2017, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

I don't have the energy or time to rewrite the rules, I think Burt had done a redraft but dont know where it ended up.

It's in the hopper of things needing to be done...but gotta tell you, its at the bottom of said hopper....

Preds · June 13th, 2017, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

It's in the hopper of things needing to be done...but gotta tell you, its at the bottom of said hopper....

Agreed, not a priority to me either, but our retired military mate likes his structure!

chasmvp19 · June 13th, 2017, 05:49 PM

Well if my civilian counterparts (in the whole world) had a little more order - wouldn't this be a great place to live???

chasmvp19 · June 13th, 2017, 05:50 PM

Just looking for input and I got it...no worries...

Preds · June 13th, 2017, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasmvp19

Well if my civilian counterparts (in the whole world) had a little more order - wouldn't this be a great place to live???

It's already pretty great on my end ;)

June 13th, 2017, 01:11 AM	#1
chasmvp19 Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: All over...but mainly AZ and CO... Posts: 2,204	Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? Can we do this??? It opens a lot of cans of worms... __________________ No one can hear you scream in outer space... 2017 Frenzy Bowl (Runner-Up)

June 13th, 2017, 05:54 AM	#2
chasmvp19 Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: All over...but mainly AZ and CO... Posts: 2,204	Bidding on True Free Agents... I'd like to get some opinions on whether or not owners should be able to bid on players NOT currently on NFL rosters.... I for one would surmise that this is not permissible under our rules - noting that this situation is not currently covered by our rules... The reason is two fold...1. We do not know if the player will ever have an NFL team. You may say this is irrelevant, but it is not and no owner should have to compete against another owner for a player not on an NFL roster regardless of cost or supposition...2. How would one calculate a value for a player not on a particular roster? Again, it matters and if each of us can't assign our own value regardless of what it is, then you can't possibly decide on what a cost could/would be...it basically goes against most of the principles we have assigned to the rules of our league... I am against allowing ANY bids on a player NOT on an NFL roster... Thoughts??? Many of you are more experienced in this league and I would like to know your thoughts on the matter and if this requires solidification within the rules...just because we have always done it this way is NOT the right answer either... Thanks... __________________ No one can hear you scream in outer space... 2017 Frenzy Bowl (Runner-Up)

June 13th, 2017, 08:43 AM	#3
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 19,481	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? The rules state: "Any NFL player is eligible." So if a player is not signed by an NFL team, he is NOT an NFL player. Pretty clear I think. __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

June 13th, 2017, 08:53 AM	#4
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? Hmmm...never thought about that. So I guess that means we can't open bidding on a FA (e.g., Eric Decker who was released by Jets) until he signs with another team?

June 13th, 2017, 09:12 AM	#5
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? We always gone by the axiom that once a player has been exposed to the NFL Draft, or the NFL Supplemental draft, they are then exposed to Frenzy Rookie or Supplemental drafts. If they go unpicked, they are then eligible for UFA status in Frenzy. Further any player that has had a contract in Frenzy in the past is eligible to be bid on in the future, so a case like Decker or any other homeless NFL UFA is eligible to be bid on. __________________ *4x Frenzy Champions (2003, 2005, 2013, 2022) with 9 appearances in the Frenzy Bowl (4 in the past 5 seasons*) 2022 Co-Champions with WchMeGo Roosters Email: preds1@gmail.com Cell: 716-481-8823

June 13th, 2017, 01:51 PM	#6
chasmvp19 Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: All over...but mainly AZ and CO... Posts: 2,204	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? Put it in writing in the rules...we can't hold your feet to the fire on an axiom... I dont like it... If on NFL roster - then able to bid...that is nice and clear... __________________ No one can hear you scream in outer space... 2017 Frenzy Bowl (Runner-Up)

June 13th, 2017, 02:42 PM	#8
Scorpions Administrator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 6,746	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? I don't see why its even an issue. its a little risky to bid on a guy whos not on a team, but can pay off if he does land in a good spot. As far back as I can recall we have been bidding on players in this manner going years back. so I see no need for a rules update regarding this.

June 13th, 2017, 05:49 PM	#11
chasmvp19 Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: All over...but mainly AZ and CO... Posts: 2,204	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? Well if my civilian counterparts (in the whole world) had a little more order - wouldn't this be a great place to live??? __________________ No one can hear you scream in outer space... 2017 Frenzy Bowl (Runner-Up)

June 13th, 2017, 05:50 PM	#12
chasmvp19 Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: All over...but mainly AZ and CO... Posts: 2,204	Re: Bid on players NOT on NFL roster???? Just looking for input and I got it...no worries... __________________ No one can hear you scream in outer space... 2017 Frenzy Bowl (Runner-Up)

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