Sample IDP Scoring (See Links in Post #30 to see sample of Proposed Scoring Systems) - Page 2

Liquid Swords · April 15th, 2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

do you really want defected passes to be more important than tackles and equal to sacks? Besides, DL are not the only ones getting them. A lot of DBs get defects, so that will increase their scores. Main points for DL are sacks from my experience.

I like adding the deflected, just don't want to score it too high. We can try 2 points, then re-evaluate next year.

I also like having 2/2 for forced fumbles and fumble recoveries.

DBs will rack up the majority of passes deflected. 19 out of the top 20 from 2004 were DBs leading deflections. Not a single DL is in the top 40. And only 6 LBs are in the top 40......so 34 out of top 40 leaders in pass deflections were DBs.

The Immortal Ramirez · April 15th, 2005, 10:50 AM

thanks for the confirmation. I didn't have the stats, I just remembered that from years ago

keepers · April 15th, 2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

DBs will rack up the majority of passes deflected. 19 out of the top 20 from 2004 were DBs leading deflections. Not a single DL is in the top 40. And only 6 LBs are in the top 40......so 34 out of top 40 leaders in pass deflections were DBs.

Good point. I was thinking about only pass deflections by pass rushers at the line of scrimmage, totally forgot about downfield pass deflections. It may be a category to minimize (.5 pts) or to eliminate as it even further takes away from DLs.

The Immortal Ramirez · April 15th, 2005, 11:08 AM

I agree. My previous point was 0.5 (because it IS worth something), but not to value it too much.

Preds · April 15th, 2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I agree. My previous point was 0.5 (because it IS worth something), but not to value it too much.

0.5 works for me... heck we could be renegaes and do something CRAZY like 0.75! ;)

Liquid Swords · April 15th, 2005, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I agree. My previous point was 0.5 (because it IS worth something), but not to value it too much.

Correct...at .5 pts I think it will help increase the value of your shutdown CBs without decreasing value at other positions.

Valencia · April 15th, 2005, 11:24 AM

.5pts sounds good to me

Mutts · April 15th, 2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Preds

0.5 works for me... heck we could be renegaes and do something CRAZY like 0.75! ;)

.5 is good - but then again, I'm game for trying out the whole renegae thing too...

The Immortal Ramirez · April 15th, 2005, 11:33 AM

Don't encourage Preds....

Preds · April 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM

OK, I entered the scoring rules into FFLM and created a couple pages for you all to see.

One shows you the Frenzy Offensive scoring (which we are not changing), but it gives you an idea on player valuations.

The link to the Offensive Stats is: http://predsff.com/SAC'D2004OffensiveScoring.htm

I've also created a page for the Defensive Stats, which shows the scoring system currently being proposed.

The link to the Defensive Stats is: http://predsff.com/SAC%27D2004DefensiveScoring.htm

My 1st impressions... we don't have enough seperation from the top guys to the middle and lower tier guys on defense. We also probably should score a bit more for Tackles, Sacks, and Deflections. I'll create a page with some increased numbers and post it in a bit.

EDITED TO ADD A 2nd Defensive Scoring Proposal
Ok, I did the following to the defensive scoring to see what the results look like...

I made the following changes:
Tackles - 2 Points (was 1)
Assists - 1 Point (was .5)
Passes Defensed - 1 Point (was .5)
Sacks - 2pts per 1/2 a sack (was 1 per 1/2)

Which Resulted in the following Scoring for IDP's:
http://predsff.com/SAC%27D2004DefensiveScoring2.htm

I liked the results I see with the 2nd setup much better. What about the rest of y'all?

Note: I've been going with SAC'D (Shark Attack Contract Dynasty) as a working league name. It's grown on me quite a bit.

Flaxwless · April 17th, 2005, 07:29 PM

How about we shorten that to just SAC'D

Preds · April 17th, 2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

How about we shorten that to just SAC'D

Fine, but what about the scoring?

Preds · April 17th, 2005, 08:44 PM

Another comment on the scoring...

Should we not give some sort of credit for Interception and Fumble return yards (they are tracked)?

Maybe something like 0.05/yard (1/2 of what an offensive player gets per yard)

Liquid Swords · April 17th, 2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Another comment on the scoring...

Should we not give some sort of credit for Interception and Fumble return yards (they are tracked)?

Maybe something like 0.05/yard (1/2 of what an offensive player gets per yard)

I wouldn't be opposed

Preds · April 17th, 2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Another comment on the scoring...

Should we not give some sort of credit for Interception and Fumble return yards (they are tracked)?

Maybe something like 0.05/yard (1/2 of what an offensive player gets per yard)

Here's a link showing my 2nd scoring proposal with the additional inclusion of interception and fumble recovery return yards:

http://predsff.com/SAC'D2004DefensiveScoring3.htm

We also should define whether or not the IDP's get credit for offensive scoring (i.e. trick plays, goaline plunges and whatnot). I'd say yes, the same as the IOP would get.

Philadelphia Freedom · April 18th, 2005, 08:38 AM

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Note: I've been going with SAC'D (Shark Attack Contract Dynasty) as a working league name. It's grown on me quite a bit.

I will weigh in on the scoring issue a bit later. However, on the league name I was wondering if there might be someway to incoprporate Pat Tillman into this. Since he was defensive player and this is an IDP league I thought maybe in the name of the league or else as one of the divisions??

The Immortal Ramirez · April 18th, 2005, 08:44 AM

I agree with Mike. After looking at the scoring. Option 2 is better. Otherwise, the top DL performer (Julius Peppers) scored as much as Plaxico Burress who was #46 WR and below William Green (ranked 40th RB). And Donnie Edwards (#1 overall scorer) scored less than Jason Witten, Lee Suggs, Kurt Warner, & TJ Houskljhhatstydityfgxknbcdah.

I think we'll need another vote on this....

The Immortal Ramirez · April 18th, 2005, 08:45 AM

I'm with on you the Pat Tillman thing. Dang, talk about a man walking the walk!

Nittany Dodgers · April 18th, 2005, 09:07 AM

I officially have no opinion on the defensive scoring.

Preds · April 18th, 2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I agree with Mike. After looking at the scoring. Option 2 is better. Otherwise, the top DL performer (Julius Peppers) scored as much as Plaxico Burress who was #46 WR and below William Green (ranked 40th RB). And Donnie Edwards (#1 overall scorer) scored less than Jason Witten, Lee Suggs, Kurt Warner, & TJ Houskljhhatstydityfgxknbcdah.

I think we'll need another vote on this....

Steve,

I created a 3rd option (post #35) which is my 2nd proposal but also includes points for interception and fumble recovery return yards (0.05 per year).

http://predsff.com/SAC'D2004DefensiveScoring3.htm

Think we should include that as an option in the poll?

View Poll Results: IDP Scoring Change - after seeing stats results
Option 1 - lower scoring for IDP	0	0%
Option 2 - Preds recommendation on page 2 (post # 30) of this thread	1	9.09%
Option 3 - Preds alternate (post #35) - Int/Fum Return yards added	10	90.91%
Voters: 11. This poll is closed

April 15th, 2005, 10:50 AM	#22
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Sample IDP Scoring thanks for the confirmation. I didn't have the stats, I just remembered that from years ago

April 15th, 2005, 11:08 AM	#24
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Sample IDP Scoring I agree. My previous point was 0.5 (because it IS worth something), but not to value it too much.

April 15th, 2005, 11:24 AM	#27
Valencia NF-FFL, CDL, & SAC'D Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lancaster, California Posts: 1,035	Re: Sample IDP Scoring .5pts sounds good to me

April 15th, 2005, 11:33 AM	#29
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Sample IDP Scoring Don't encourage Preds....

April 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM	#30
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Sample Scoring (see links) OK, I entered the scoring rules into FFLM and created a couple pages for you all to see. One shows you the Frenzy Offensive scoring (which we are not changing), but it gives you an idea on player valuations. The link to the Offensive Stats is: http://predsff.com/SAC'D2004OffensiveScoring.htm I've also created a page for the Defensive Stats, which shows the scoring system currently being proposed. The link to the Defensive Stats is: http://predsff.com/SAC%27D2004DefensiveScoring.htm My 1st impressions... we don't have enough seperation from the top guys to the middle and lower tier guys on defense. We also probably should score a bit more for Tackles, Sacks, and Deflections. I'll create a page with some increased numbers and post it in a bit. EDITED TO ADD A 2nd Defensive Scoring Proposal Ok, I did the following to the defensive scoring to see what the results look like... I made the following changes: Tackles - 2 Points (was 1) Assists - 1 Point (was .5) Passes Defensed - 1 Point (was .5) Sacks - 2pts per 1/2 a sack (was 1 per 1/2) Which Resulted in the following Scoring for IDP's: http://predsff.com/SAC%27D2004DefensiveScoring2.htm I liked the results I see with the 2nd setup much better. What about the rest of y'all? Note: I've been going with SAC'D (Shark Attack Contract Dynasty) as a working league name. It's grown on me quite a bit. Last edited by Preds; April 17th, 2005 at 10:18 PM.

April 17th, 2005, 07:29 PM	#31
Flaxwless Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 6,050	Re: Sample Scoring (see links) How about we shorten that to just SAC'D __________________ Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects - 1st EVER Feeding Frenzy Champion Bay Area Bloodsuckers 2008 SAC'D Champions - 2nd Worst to First in Year! 2011 SAC'D Champions - #5 seed, # 2 power rankings, #1 in the end!

April 17th, 2005, 08:44 PM	#33
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: Sample IDP Scoring (See Links in Post #30) Another comment on the scoring... Should we not give some sort of credit for Interception and Fumble return yards (they are tracked)? Maybe something like 0.05/yard (1/2 of what an offensive player gets per yard)

April 18th, 2005, 08:44 AM	#37
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Sample IDP Scoring (See Links in Post #30 to see sample of Proposed Scoring Systems) I agree with Mike. After looking at the scoring. Option 2 is better. Otherwise, the top DL performer (Julius Peppers) scored as much as Plaxico Burress who was #46 WR and below William Green (ranked 40th RB). And Donnie Edwards (#1 overall scorer) scored less than Jason Witten, Lee Suggs, Kurt Warner, & TJ Houskljhhatstydityfgxknbcdah. I think we'll need another vote on this.... Last edited by The Immortal Ramirez; April 18th, 2005 at 08:48 AM.

April 18th, 2005, 08:45 AM	#38
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Sample IDP Scoring (See Links in Post #30 to see sample of Proposed Scoring Systems) I'm with on you the Pat Tillman thing. Dang, talk about a man walking the walk!

April 18th, 2005, 09:07 AM	#39
Nittany Dodgers Feeding Frenzy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Maplewood, MN Posts: 5,204	Re: Sample IDP Scoring (See Links in Post #30 to see sample of Proposed Scoring Systems) I officially have no opinion on the defensive scoring.

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