RFA Commentary

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

I would just like to add: I killed the RFA period single-handedly!

That you did. Bring on the draft! lol

And I wish you the best in getting a stud RB... you're actually forcing a difficult decision for many owners. I'm sure many were hoping their guys wouldn't be bid up too much from the $2K tender price. If you get too many studs, I'd be happy to talk trade with you... AFTER the allotted "no trading RFA" period ends (maybe we can get something in place before then, just not "finalize" it!). :shadesoff

[Jersey]

Hey, I know how you feel, I've had cap issues myself. Ever since I took over the Waste. I had Owens and Toomer combining for 4000 cb's last year. Wew...that's the last time I'm investing so much into a couple of studs that's for sure.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

That you did. Bring on the draft! lol

And I wish you the best in getting a stud RB... you're actually forcing a difficult decision for many owners. I'm sure many were hoping their guys wouldn't be bid up too much from the $2K tender price. If you get too many studs, I'd be happy to talk trade with you... AFTER the allotted "no trading RFA" period ends (maybe we can get something in place before then, just not "finalize" it!). :shadesoff

Thing is the Insects cannot exceed the cap for more than 24 hours. Trading of RFA's isn't allowed until the off-season UFA period ends, which is August 15th. So even a so called hush hush kinda trade won't help as the Insects would have no choice but to make cuts to get under the cap.

I don't think the Insects killed the RFA period at all, personally I think it's one of the most strategic and intriuging RFA periods in Frenzy history.

I'm loving the strategy options. Phenonmenal IMO.

[Flaxwless]

Yep I can't wait until a couple more days when this all sorts itself out.

Until then I can work on my strengthing my possible arugment for "collusion" if I am stuck with all the RBs!;)

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

Yep I can't wait until a couple more days when this all sorts itself out.

Until then I can work on my strengthing my possible arugment for "collusion" if I am stuck with all the RBs!;)

hehe... doesn't collusion have to occur in secrecy? There's no secret agreements that I know about! Hell, I think the discussion of whether or not a strategic move would be to match or not has all been on the table out in the open!

All I know is the logic here dictates that there may be a strategic play in taking the picks and letting the RFA's go, with at least 2 of them cut and then accessible via the UFA market! ;)

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Frank, you're trying too hard. Your strategy is sound. Just go with it.

PS - if you're really worried that the tendering franchises are going to benefit from these "low" bids then you can always up them yourself since you're so sure they will be matched. ;)

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Preds

I don't think the Insects killed the RFA period at all, personally I think it's one of the most strategic and intriuging RFA periods in Frenzy history.

I didn't mean "killed" as in "no more fun" or "dead" or "ruined"... I meant killed as in "not many other bidders will be jumping in now!"

We'll see what happens in the next 48 hours (actually, less, now... 36?)!

[Flaxwless]

19 hours before the maddness begins!

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Not sure what effect the Insects have had but so far of the 32 players available less then half (15) have been bid on.

Of those 15 who knows how many will be matched? Not sure if we have any historical numbers to go by (or if they would even apply in this crazy year).

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Not sure what effect the Insects have had but so far of the 32 players available less then half (15) have been bid on.

Of those 15 who knows how many will be matched? Not sure if we have any historical numbers to go by (or if they would even apply in this crazy year).

I'm betting that this year sees an unusually large number NOT matched... now, one person's opinion of what "unusually large" is will obviously differ from another...

[Flaxwless]

Actually I don't know if the number matched will grow much. The way I see it the compensation picks are almost worthless. In most cases the RFAs are proven players who have shown they are Fantasy starters, where as, the comp picks will be used to snag rookie busts, players who may not even see the light of day.

I'm thinking maybe 4 1st Round Comps, 2 or 3 2nd Round comps, and 4 3rd round, and 1 4th Round.

As a whole is the 2nd round comps will be like 3rd Rounders, and we know how many productive players we've picked from there, the 3rd rounders are almost worthless, and the 4th round pick is almost like a 6th.

So I don't think we'll see compensation play a factor in the decision to match an RFAs. The decision will be based on if the owner finds the players to be of value (the stud RBs), with the comp picks serving as just a bonus.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

Actually I don't know if the number matched will grow much. The way I see it the compensation picks are almost worthless. In most cases the RFAs are proven players who have shown they are Fantasy starters, where as, the comp picks will be used to snag rookie busts, players who may not even see the light of day.

I'm thinking maybe 4 1st Round Comps, 2 or 3 2nd Round comps, and 4 3rd round, and 1 4th Round.

As a whole is the 2nd round comps will be like 3rd Rounders, and we know how many productive players we've picked from there, the 3rd rounders are almost worthless, and the 4th round pick is almost like a 6th.

So I don't think we'll see compensation play a factor in the decision to match an RFAs. The decision will be based on if the owner finds the players to be of value (the stud RBs), with the comp picks serving as just a bonus.

The strategy I think your missing Frank is that there is a value to letting a guy go and grabbing a replacement stud. I mean, I could let Ward go and take the 1st rd comp and then go after say Joe Horn or even TO. Does Ward = say TO at 2g and a 1st in your book? It's a serious consideration in mine!

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Actually I don't know if the number matched will grow much. The way I see it the compensation picks are almost worthless.

I think I am going to have to disagree with the Insects a little there. While I agree that the value of a stud player can't be underestimated I don't think the picks are worthless. If 5 teams decline to match that would make those picks 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17. While it is hard to say that you will get an instant impact player it is likely that there may be some first round quality (NFL draft) players there.

In fact based on one website (I know that everyone has different opinions but for the sake of responding) there are 15 offensive skill position players that they see in this year draft with first round value. This breaks down as:

QB’s (3)
RB’s (2)
WR’s (7)
TE’s (3)

While not everyone would agree about the numbers it is likely that this year there could be a bit of value in the compensatory picks. Is it enough value to forgo resigning a stud? That I guess is what are all interested in seeing.

BTW- Mike your point about a replacement player makes a good bit of sense as well.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Preds

The strategy I think your missing Frank is that there is a value to letting a guy go and grabbing a replacement stud. I mean, I could let Ward go and take the 1st rd comp and then go after say Joe Horn or even TO. Does Ward = say TO at 2g and a 1st in your book? It's a serious consideration in mine!

Precisely.

[Flaxwless]

I see that but really, you would not consider letting Ward go unless his price became "unreasonable" or equalt to another "unreasonable" player you have the high bid on.

Price is the main deciding factor, the picks are just bonus as you just illustrated. If Ward is 500 dollars less than TO, you'd probably keep Ward. If Ward rose to TOs "unreasonable" price range then you'd hopefully take the 1st round comp and TO. If Horn is selling less than Ward, you'd be inclined to take Horn and the pick.

No matter how you spin it it's still based on the price, maybe my first statement was flaVVed but I can say that, the only time the compensation picks will come into play on a decision is when there is a player less than or equal to the price of one of your RFAs.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

I see that but really, you would not consider letting Ward go unless his price became "unreasonable" or equalt to another "unreasonable" player you have the high bid on.

Price is the main deciding factor, the picks are just bonus as you just illustrated. If Ward is 500 dollars less than TO, you'd probably keep Ward. If Ward rose to TOs "unreasonable" price range then you'd hopefully take the 1st round comp and TO. If Horn is selling less than Ward, you'd be inclined to take Horn and the pick.

No matter how you spin it it's still based on the price, maybe my first statement was flaVVed but I can say that, the only time the compensation picks will come into play on a decision is when there is a player less than or equal to the price of one of your RFAs.

I disagree Frank, I will consider a TO at 500cb's more than a Ward because of the comp... the comp makes paying the extra CB's palatable.

There is a very real possibility that I may not match any of my RFA's... of course I could be stating falsehoods, or I may just be telling the truth. Thats the beauty of the new RFA process, I absolutely LOVE it ;)!

[Philadelphia Freedom]

of course I could be stating falsehoods, or I may just be telling the truth. Thats the beauty of the new RFA process, I absolutely LOVE it!

Unless of your course you are the Freedom...

Leftwich jersey are skyrocketing here in the Philadelphia area if that tells you something about management's plans for D. McNabb.

[Flaxwless]

And it has begun!

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

And it has begun!

You've done your part. Now we wait to see if the teams who own the rights to these guys have the chutzpah to keep 'em or let 'em go. I'm betting you're going to be correct in your assessment... and at least one, if not more, teams will match these offers.

In which case, the rest of the league owes you a debt of gratitude for driving up the prices of the top RBs! Make 'em pay for quality! :clap :thumbsup

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

I took a look at your cap Frank. If I decline to match both RW and SA you're pretty screwed..........Even if you dont match McNair and Eddie you'd still need to trade or cut your current roster to get below the cap. Ouch. What were you thinking?

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers

I took a look at your cap Frank. If I decline to match both RW and SA you're pretty screwed..........Even if you dont match McNair and Eddie you'd still need to trade or cut your current roster to get below the cap. Ouch. What were you thinking?

He was thinking you'd match one...

So are you gonna? Time to put up or shut up! What's it gonna be? (Inquiring minds want to know!!!)

[Flaxwless]

Damn JIm are you reading my mind?!

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

That's an awful risky gamble.......


For those keeping score at home:
RW = 3,000
LT2 = 2,850

Does....................not....................... compute................................







Did someone overbid?

[Flaxwless]

Can be done, already have my cuts in place if I do get these two.

I'd be willing to sit on them and take the cap hit, until I can trade them.

[Preds]

Frank is now in a tough situation, and I feel for him to a degree, but I have to say, his ballsy moves on the opening day of the RFA period has made this the most entertaining, intruiging, and fun RFA periods in league history!

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Frank is now in a tough situation, and I feel for him to a degree

From the man who just cost him another $160...

For pile on value John Hall is still out there (of course that would only cost him $30).

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

From the man who just cost him another $160...

For pile on value John Hall is still out there (of course that would only cost him $30).

Oh hell that's a strategic move ... chances of landing McNair are better now that he's in cap trouble.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Oh hell that's a strategic move

Yeah, Stanley should you employ you the way you are putting the screws to him.

BTW, Stanley make screwdrivers and is not a person. Well, of course he is a person but not in this case...

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Yeah, Stanley should you employ you the way you are putting the screws to him.

BTW, Stanley make screwdrivers and is not a person. Well, of course he is a person but not in this case...

ROTFL... when Sharks smell blood they ATTACK! It's nothing personal, I think Frank is a great guy!

[Flaxwless]

Haha well I already have my strategy planned out.

I shall keep you all in suspense. After these set of moves I am definatley going to win GM of the Year.