Rule Discussion - Page 2

Philadelphia Freedom · April 14th, 2005, 01:00 PM

One other thought. In my local league we subtract defensive scores from the oppositions offensive score. With our scoring in that league we get more realistic socres (or at at least arena football like scores). Might be something to consider trying here .

April 14th, 2005, 01:49 PM

Should we start a topic for each item/group of items? Having it all in one thread is going to get crazy.

Philadelphia Freedom · April 14th, 2005, 01:59 PM

Seperate breakouts make a lot of sense since their is quite a bit happening here. Thanks!

Liquid Swords · April 14th, 2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

develop scoring for the IDP positions - ???

Anyone have a good example to steal?

Here's the IDP scoring stucture I've used in an IDP league for the past few years:

Punt/Kickoff Return TDs: 6pts
Fumble Recovery/Interception Return TDs: 6pts
Blocked FG/Punt Return TDs: 6pts
Fumble Recoveries: 4pts
Interceptions Caught: 4pts
Blocked FG/Punt: 4pts
Tackles: 1pt
Assists: 0.5pt
QB Sack: 4pts
Safeties: 6pts

Flaxwless · April 14th, 2005, 02:02 PM

What about pass deflections? Is that counted as an official stat or is that only a video game thing?

Flaxwless · April 14th, 2005, 02:05 PM

And i dont know if was in this thread or the other... but I owuld be in favor of having an auction for vertans and rookie draft based upon random order or something like that.

keepers · April 14th, 2005, 02:07 PM

As the newbie I am trying digest things as quickly as I can so for now will add my 2 cents on only a couple things:

- I like the idea of having only 1 yr contracts for the 1st year ... although still have trading and RFAs sounds good.

- I would vote for 6 IDP players in starting lineups ... 2 each of DLs, LBs, DBs ... a flex guy will invariably be a LB, also as there is always an element of luck in FF but this is often even more evident with defensive players than offensive players so prefer to have IDPs as an add on rather than equal footing with offensive players.

- Having a roster size limit is a must but prefer not to have restrictions on offense vs defense.

The Immortal Ramirez · April 14th, 2005, 02:08 PM

first of all, Skippy is right. We need a separate thread for each of these points otherwise we'll never keep things straight.

I played in one with passes deflected. NFL does track that. I say 1/2 point.

Preds · April 14th, 2005, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

first of all, Skippy is right. We need a separate thread for each of these points otherwise we'll never keep things straight.

I played in one with passes deflected. NFL does track that. I say 1/2 point.

Seperate threads is a great idea. Anyone have time to set em up? I can try later, but not at the moment.

The Immortal Ramirez · April 14th, 2005, 02:12 PM

I like the limiting of rosters, and if Skippy wants 20 RBs and one of each other position, be my guest (he'll try to trade them off anyway). So, limits of how many IOP & IDP is up in the air...we can vote on it.

I had no problem with the recommended scorings...except maybe add the passes deflected.

auction for vets and random rookie draft is fine (trades can be done for rookie draft). In CDL, we are allowed to throw in next years picks as well, but not two years out.

I agree, you don't want too many IDP, otherwise they take over the scoring.

The Immortal Ramirez · April 14th, 2005, 02:13 PM

I'll set them up...but from where?

April 14th, 2005, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Here's the IDP scoring stucture I've used in an IDP league for the past few years:

Punt/Kickoff Return TDs: 6pts
Fumble Recovery/Interception Return TDs: 6pts
Blocked FG/Punt Return TDs: 6pts
Fumble Recoveries: 4pts
Interceptions Caught: 4pts
Blocked FG/Punt: 4pts
Tackles: 1pt
Assists: 0.5pt
QB Sack: 4pts
Safeties: 6pts

Can you post the top 25 scoring and their points from each position so we get an idea of what these scoring rules are like?

Preds · April 14th, 2005, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I like the limiting of rosters, and if Skippy wants 20 RBs and one of each other position, be my guest (he'll try to trade them off anyway). So, limits of how many IOP & IDP is up in the air...we can vote on it.

I had no problem with the recommended scorings...except maybe add the passes deflected.

auction for vets and random rookie draft is fine (trades can be done for rookie draft). In CDL, we are allowed to throw in next years picks as well, but not two years out.

I agree, you don't want too many IDP, otherwise they take over the scoring.

I'm going to advocate an auction for the rookies (or including them in the auction, at least for the IDP's).

We have a solid understanding of IOP values, and rookier salaries that reflect that, but we have no idea what the IDP market will bear.

Seeing as we're talking 1 year contracts year 1, I think it makes the most sense just to throw everyone in the same auction pool (rookies, vets, IOP's, IDP's)

Preds · April 14th, 2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I'll set them up...but from where?

Just create new threads in the parent forum. Here's a link http://predsff.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=89

April 14th, 2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I'll set them up...but from where?

The first post in this thread has a list of topics. Use common sence to combine some that go together.

Preds · April 14th, 2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

The first post in this thread has a list of topics. Use common sence to combine some that go together.

NICE... suttle jab there Skip!

Rami's been jabbing at you all day, it's about time you jabbed back!

Flaxwless · April 14th, 2005, 02:24 PM

grouping rookies in the auction sounds like a solid plan since we are limited to 1 year contracts.

I would like to see passes deflected, since from my small understanding of IDP, CBs are the TE of the DEF.

Also... thinking about it I wouldn't advocate a strict 17500 slary cap using the roughly 600 per player idea. This is b/c I believe teams will value offense more and drive the offensive salaries a bit higher. But as I type this it seems like a moot point since we are starting from the ground up and no market values have been set. Seems like more of an issue if we were to add onto the original Frenzy league.

that's it for now.

April 14th, 2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

NICE... suttle jab there Skip!

Rami's been jabbing at you all day, it's about time you jabbed back!

I assume you mean subtle.

I have been busy at work, and Rami is easy to ignore.

Preds · April 14th, 2005, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

I assume you mean subtle.

I have been busy at work, and Rami is easy to ignore.

I thought we all knew my grammar sucked! ;)

April 14th, 2005, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

I thought we all knew my grammar sucked! ;)

I really shouldn't be the one pointing this out considering how many mistakes I make.

Nittany Dodgers · April 14th, 2005, 03:55 PM

I haven't seen Jake sign off for a bit. If anyone is missing the postings this afternoon, they are going to crap when they see the new messages. This seriously has been a Frenzy of an afternoon.

Preds · April 14th, 2005, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I haven't seen Jake sign off for a bit. If anyone is missing the postings this afternoon, they are going to crap when they see the new messages. This seriously has been a Frenzy of an afternoon.

No kidding, I think there are over 300 posts today!

Nittany Dodgers · April 14th, 2005, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

No kidding, I think there are over 300 posts today!

This is borderline orgasmic! (Sorry, was that PG-13?)

April 14th, 2005, 01:00 PM	#31
Philadelphia Freedom Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 6,270	Re: Rule Discussion One other thought. In my local league we subtract defensive scores from the oppositions offensive score. With our scoring in that league we get more realistic socres (or at at least arena football like scores). Might be something to consider trying here .

April 14th, 2005, 01:49 PM	#32
Skippy the One Eyed Beagle Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Rule Discussion Should we start a topic for each item/group of items? Having it all in one thread is going to get crazy.

April 14th, 2005, 01:59 PM	#33
Philadelphia Freedom Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 6,270	Re: Rule Discussion Seperate breakouts make a lot of sense since their is quite a bit happening here. Thanks!

April 14th, 2005, 02:02 PM	#35
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April 14th, 2005, 02:05 PM	#36
Flaxwless Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 6,050	Re: Rule Discussion And i dont know if was in this thread or the other... but I owuld be in favor of having an auction for vertans and rookie draft based upon random order or something like that. __________________ Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects - 1st EVER Feeding Frenzy Champion Bay Area Bloodsuckers 2008 SAC'D Champions - 2nd Worst to First in Year! 2011 SAC'D Champions - #5 seed, # 2 power rankings, #1 in the end!

April 14th, 2005, 02:07 PM	#37
keepers SAC'D Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 465	Re: Rule Discussion As the newbie I am trying digest things as quickly as I can so for now will add my 2 cents on only a couple things: - I like the idea of having only 1 yr contracts for the 1st year ... although still have trading and RFAs sounds good. - I would vote for 6 IDP players in starting lineups ... 2 each of DLs, LBs, DBs ... a flex guy will invariably be a LB, also as there is always an element of luck in FF but this is often even more evident with defensive players than offensive players so prefer to have IDPs as an add on rather than equal footing with offensive players. - Having a roster size limit is a must but prefer not to have restrictions on offense vs defense.

April 14th, 2005, 02:08 PM	#38
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Rule Discussion first of all, Skippy is right. We need a separate thread for each of these points otherwise we'll never keep things straight. I played in one with passes deflected. NFL does track that. I say 1/2 point.

April 14th, 2005, 02:12 PM	#40
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Rule Discussion I like the limiting of rosters, and if Skippy wants 20 RBs and one of each other position, be my guest (he'll try to trade them off anyway). So, limits of how many IOP & IDP is up in the air...we can vote on it. I had no problem with the recommended scorings...except maybe add the passes deflected. auction for vets and random rookie draft is fine (trades can be done for rookie draft). In CDL, we are allowed to throw in next years picks as well, but not two years out. I agree, you don't want too many IDP, otherwise they take over the scoring.

April 14th, 2005, 02:13 PM	#41
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: Rule Discussion I'll set them up...but from where?

April 14th, 2005, 02:24 PM	#47
Flaxwless Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 6,050	Re: Rule Discussion grouping rookies in the auction sounds like a solid plan since we are limited to 1 year contracts. I would like to see passes deflected, since from my small understanding of IDP, CBs are the TE of the DEF. Also... thinking about it I wouldn't advocate a strict 17500 slary cap using the roughly 600 per player idea. This is b/c I believe teams will value offense more and drive the offensive salaries a bit higher. But as I type this it seems like a moot point since we are starting from the ground up and no market values have been set. Seems like more of an issue if we were to add onto the original Frenzy league. that's it for now. __________________ Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects - 1st EVER Feeding Frenzy Champion Bay Area Bloodsuckers 2008 SAC'D Champions - 2nd Worst to First in Year! 2011 SAC'D Champions - #5 seed, # 2 power rankings, #1 in the end!

April 14th, 2005, 03:55 PM	#51
Nittany Dodgers Feeding Frenzy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Maplewood, MN Posts: 5,204	Re: Rule Discussion I haven't seen Jake sign off for a bit. If anyone is missing the postings this afternoon, they are going to crap when they see the new messages. This seriously has been a Frenzy of an afternoon.

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