2005 RFA Commentary - Page 2

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 5th, 2005, 04:02 PM

I think last year's "youthful exurberance" in the RFA period is no more... we're all older (at least by a year) and (hopefully) a bit wiser. We're taking our time to see where RFAs sell, and then plotting out our strategy for further aquisitions. I expect this to go right up to the deadline... should be an interesting offseason!

Preds · April 6th, 2005, 10:31 AM

Honestly, I'm still stunned that Jeremy declined to match Marvin. I'm equally surprised the league as a whole allowed him to sell so cheap (relatively speaking). 1850 for a guy that's consistently been top 5 is a bargain IMO. Maybe Indy, we'll slow down, maybe Marv will slow down with age, maybe Stokley or Wayne will further hurt his numbers, maybe an injury will happen... I don't know, but that's an awful lot of maybes for a guy who has been extremely consistent year to year.

I understand that Chad Johnson has upside, but his upside is Harrison's downside (IMO). Add in the facts that he's $50 more than Marvin (which might have resulted in a better compensatory pick), and that a division rival would get Marvin.... shoulda been an easy decision... I just totally expected that Jake would be getting CJ.

In the end though, I'm extremely happy to land Marvin, and as you all could see in the news release, he's just as happy to be joining the leagues premier franchise! ;)

Nittany Dodgers · April 6th, 2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Honestly, I'm still stunned that Jeremy declined to match Marvin. I'm equally surprised the league as a whole allowed him to sell so cheap (relatively speaking). 1850 for a guy that's consistently been top 5 is a bargain IMO. Maybe Indy, we'll slow down, maybe Marv will slow down with age, maybe Stokley or Wayne will further hurt his numbers, maybe an injury will happen... I don't know, but that's an awful lot of maybes for a guy who has been extremely consistent year to year.

I understand that Chad Johnson has upside, but his upside is Harrison's downside (IMO). Add in the facts that he's $50 more than Marvin (which might have resulted in a better compensatory pick), and that a division rival would get Marvin.... shoulda been an easy decision... I just totally expected that Jake would be getting CJ.

In the end though, I'm extremely happy to land Marvin, and as you all could see in the news release, he's just as happy to be joining the leagues premier franchise! ;)

Tough decision, but I could see this going either way. Marvin has a number of things working against him. The Colts had an all time season in 2004, they are most likely not going to repeat their performance, so logic dictates Marvins numbers will drop as well. Marvin age leads one to conclude that his numbers should start to decline (at some point they have to, right?). CJ on the otherhand is a commodity on the rise. I disagree that CJ's upside is Marvin's downside. I wouldn't be surprised to see at all CJ outscore Marvin if not this year, then next, and we all know this isn't a one year league.

Bottom line, if I could only have one in 2005, I'd take Marvin, but if I was looking long term, CJ isn't a bad deal IMHO.

Preds · April 6th, 2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Tough decision, but I could see this going either way. Marvin has a number of things working against him. The Colts had an all time season in 2004, they are most likely not going to repeat their performance, so logic dictates Marvins numbers will drop as well. Marvin age leads one to conclude that his numbers should start to decline (at some point they have to, right?). CJ on the otherhand is a commodity on the rise. I disagree that CJ's upside is Marvin's downside. I wouldn't be surprised to see at all CJ outscore Marvin if not this year, then next, and we all know this isn't a one year league.

Bottom line, if I could only have one in 2005, I'd take Marvin, but if I was looking long term, CJ isn't a bad deal IMHO.

I agree longterm, but IMO neither player is worth a long term deal at those numbers. Personally I'll likely give Marvin with 1 year deal and just tag him next year.

I analyzed this from the perspective of just the 2005 season, though I do agree Brian that the longer term should also be taken into consideration, particularly with Chad.

Ypsilanti Undead · April 6th, 2005, 02:32 PM

If Marv weren't going to a division rival, it would have been a simple decision for me. Marvin's numbers have been in decline for the last 2 seasons. He wasn't doing anything exciting for the first half of the season, until he started publicly pouting and they forced the ball to him. My gut says he continues the downward trend and his TDs won't be so inflated by Peyton going ballistic.

I also decided I should worry more about my roster than the Predators'.

Having said all that, I still came close to retaining him and letting Chad go. In hindsight, the smart play would have been to match on Chad sooner and freed the Mutts to bid up Marv. Hindsight's 20/20!

Preds · April 6th, 2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ypsilanti Undead

I also decided I should worry more about my roster than the Predators'.

Gotta love it when I get in my opponents heads like that!

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 6th, 2005, 02:47 PM

I guess when I initially heard about this, I didn't know about the CJ situation. Tough call. I'd like to say it works out for you... but you are a division rival. Then again, I can't say I hope this works out for Mike, 'cuz he's in our same division. So, with a smile on my face, I guess I can just say I hope you both regret this decision (nah!).

Preds · April 6th, 2005, 04:23 PM

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the WR's have gotten most (if not all) of the the early action? I mean big bucks are being spent on some premeir wideouts, yet the premier RB's have been in limbo for nearly a week (with the exception of Ahman Green who has 1 bid).

Are the league priorities changing? Or is it just a bumper crop of talented wide-outs?

Nittany Dodgers · April 6th, 2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the WR's have gotten most (if not all) of the the early action? I mean big bucks are being spent on some premeir wideouts, yet the premier RB's have been in limbo for nearly a week (with the exception of Ahman Green who has 1 bid).

Are the league priorities changing? Or is it just a bumper crop of talented wide-outs?

I think the pool of WRs is definitely deeper than the pools of RBs. I haven't done detailed analysis of the rosters, but my guess would be if that is the case then teams are more in need of WRs, and thus they are going sooner.

I think that after the big lul after the first two week gorge fest the last two years, people have learned there's no hurry. At least I have.

Preds · April 20th, 2005, 06:22 PM

Only 10 days of bidding remain before these players sell at the tenders:

QB Donovan McNabb (Tender = 1200)
QB Marc Bulger (Tender = 800)
QB Brian Griese (Tender = 200)

RB Tiki Barber (Tender = 2000)
RB Edgerrin James (Tender = 2000)
RB Curtis Martin (Tender = 2000)
RB Fred Taylor (Tender = 1300)
RB Chester Taylor (Tender = 300)

WR Eric Moulds (Tender = 1300)

TE Tony Gonzalez (Tender = 750)

23 of the 34 tendered RFA's have sold. 10 have changed teams thus far. 13 have stayed put. Only 1 player currently has an active bid (Maurice Morris).

You're quickly running out of bidding time as the RFA period closes April 30th.

Nittany Dodgers · April 21st, 2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Not much activity with the RFA's... YAWN

If you're bored, I could find something new for us to debate...

Preds · April 21st, 2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

If you're bored, I could find something new for us to debate...

Just REALLY confused by the RFA market, particularly the lack of action on the RB's, QB's and your very own TE and even WR.

Seriously what's the deal?

The UFA market for RB's is pretty weak, whereas the WR UFA market has some nice talent. Yet we've had very little action on the premier RFA RB's (Tiki - the #1 Fantasy back in 2004, Curtis Martin - the #1 rusher in the NFL in 2004 and Lamont is no longer a threat, and Edge a lock for top 10 if not top 5), and all but one of the WR's (Moulds) sold at premium prices. None of these guys can even fetch an opening bid? WHY?

Then we have the leagues 2nd best TE (Gates is #1 in my book ;)) sitting out there with no action. We have a top 5 and top 10 QB (McNabb and Bulger) with no action.

I just don't get it.

The RFA period wraps up in 10 days. Why is everyone waiting... is it because the traditionally active teams (myself, the Opihi and Insects) are tight against the cap?

Jersey has 4g to spend and some glaring holes at RB. Ragers have over 3g with similar concerns. What's the hangup?

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 21st, 2005, 01:09 AM

Things that make you go "hmmmmm???!!!???"

Preds · April 21st, 2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

Things that make you go "hmmmmm???!!!???"

I can't wait to see the UFA battles for such stud RB's as:

Artos Pinner
Brad Hoover
Dorsey Levens
Duce Staley (RBBC)
Eddie George
Emmitt Smith (Retired)
Jamal Robertson
Jerome Bettis (RBBC)
Jonathan Wells
Josh Scobey
Kevin Faulk
Marshall Faulk (2nd string)
Michael Pittman (RBBC)
Nick Goings (???)
Reuben Droughns (RBBC)
Ron Dayne
Sammy Morris
William Green

This is a HORRIBLY weak UFA RB class. I just don't get what folks are thinking!

Urza's Ragers · April 21st, 2005, 02:35 PM

Was too busy reading the long thread??? I'm just deciding who I should spend my money on...patience patience

Liquid Swords · April 21st, 2005, 03:38 PM

can someone spot me 1000 cbs so I can bid on some more RFAs?

:****off

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 21st, 2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

This is a HORRIBLY weak UFA RB class. I just don't get what folks are thinking!

Mike, I'm guessing you'll see a lot more action starting on Sunday... AFTER many of the aforementioned RFA Frenzy RBs get traded or stay with their same teams.

There's still a LOT of RFA time left!

Preds · April 22nd, 2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

Mike, I'm guessing you'll see a lot more action starting on Sunday... AFTER many of the aforementioned RFA Frenzy RBs get traded or stay with their same teams.

There's still a LOT of RFA time left!

Really? I had no idea Tiki was on the NFL trading block. Same goes for Curtis Martin. Wow, after losing Lamont I never expected them to consider trading CMart.

What about Fragile Fred, he's been surprisingly durable the past 2 seasons, but I guess the Jags may be ready to move him elsewhere. Sure... these guys are going to be heavily influenced by this weeks draft. How could I forget that!

The only available RFA who MIGHT be traded is Edge, and folks, I just don't see it happening.

Of Course Travis Henry could be traded, Shaun Alexander is a longshot to be moved, maybe teams are waiting on them because of that... oh wait, both of them have already SOLD.

Just a tad of sarcasm Jim, but this RFA market has been f'd up! It's gonna be fun watching the folks with no RB's bid up Bettis, Droughns, and Pittman out of desperation!

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 22nd, 2005, 12:11 AM

... okay... well... EDGE might be moved!

. I just thought the draft would be important... to see which teams pickup additional RBs... and how they might impact the starters PT. (Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor, Mike!)

Preds · April 22nd, 2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

... okay... well... EDGE might be moved!

. I just thought the draft would be important... to see which teams pickup additional RBs... and how they might impact the starters PT. (Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor, Mike!)

Liquid Swords · April 22nd, 2005, 03:43 PM

Jersey Toxic Waste gets the RFA movin' again! Wooohooo!

Preds · April 22nd, 2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Jersey Toxic Waste gets the RFA movin' again! Wooohooo!

bought friggen time!

Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers · April 22nd, 2005, 04:05 PM

3785 RB Edgerrin James

Preds · April 22nd, 2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers

3785 RB Edgerrin James

huh?

Nittany Dodgers · April 22nd, 2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

huh?

I think it's a bid. Let's lock it in.

Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers · April 22nd, 2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I think it's a bid. Let's lock it in.

:****off

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · April 23rd, 2005, 03:49 AM

And we interrupt the first pick in the 2005 NFL draft to announce...

More RFA's just got bid on!

Preds · April 23rd, 2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

And we interrupt the first pick in the 2005 NFL draft to announce...

More RFA's just got bid on!

At the minimum tenders... they're in play, but easy matches if they sell.

Questionable bidding there!

Urza's Ragers · April 23rd, 2005, 10:54 PM

Then bid them up!!! Hahahaha...

Preds · April 24th, 2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Urza's Ragers

Then bid them up!!! Hahahaha...

If I had te capspace, trust me I would, but in this weird market I have a feeleing none of em are going to get much action.

I just don't get it.

April 5th, 2005, 04:02 PM	#31
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary I think last year's "youthful exurberance" in the RFA period is no more... we're all older (at least by a year) and (hopefully) a bit wiser. We're taking our time to see where RFAs sell, and then plotting out our strategy for further aquisitions. I expect this to go right up to the deadline... should be an interesting offseason!

April 6th, 2005, 10:31 AM	#32
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: Undead's decision not to match Harrison Honestly, I'm still stunned that Jeremy declined to match Marvin. I'm equally surprised the league as a whole allowed him to sell so cheap (relatively speaking). 1850 for a guy that's consistently been top 5 is a bargain IMO. Maybe Indy, we'll slow down, maybe Marv will slow down with age, maybe Stokley or Wayne will further hurt his numbers, maybe an injury will happen... I don't know, but that's an awful lot of maybes for a guy who has been extremely consistent year to year. I understand that Chad Johnson has upside, but his upside is Harrison's downside (IMO). Add in the facts that he's $50 more than Marvin (which might have resulted in a better compensatory pick), and that a division rival would get Marvin.... shoulda been an easy decision... I just totally expected that Jake would be getting CJ. In the end though, I'm extremely happy to land Marvin, and as you all could see in the news release, he's just as happy to be joining the leagues premier franchise! ;)

April 6th, 2005, 02:32 PM	#35
Ypsilanti Undead Feeding Frenzy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ypsilanti, MI Posts: 840	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary If Marv weren't going to a division rival, it would have been a simple decision for me. Marvin's numbers have been in decline for the last 2 seasons. He wasn't doing anything exciting for the first half of the season, until he started publicly pouting and they forced the ball to him. My gut says he continues the downward trend and his TDs won't be so inflated by Peyton going ballistic. I also decided I should worry more about my roster than the Predators'. Having said all that, I still came close to retaining him and letting Chad go. In hindsight, the smart play would have been to match on Chad sooner and freed the Mutts to bid up Marv. Hindsight's 20/20!

April 6th, 2005, 02:47 PM	#37
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary I guess when I initially heard about this, I didn't know about the CJ situation. Tough call. I'd like to say it works out for you... but you are a division rival. Then again, I can't say I hope this works out for Mike, 'cuz he's in our same division. So, with a smile on my face, I guess I can just say I hope you both regret this decision (nah!).

April 6th, 2005, 04:23 PM	#38
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the WR's have gotten most (if not all) of the the early action? I mean big bucks are being spent on some premeir wideouts, yet the premier RB's have been in limbo for nearly a week (with the exception of Ahman Green who has 1 bid). Are the league priorities changing? Or is it just a bumper crop of talented wide-outs?

April 20th, 2005, 06:22 PM	#40
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	2/3's into the RFA period... 10 players yet to receive a bid Only 10 days of bidding remain before these players sell at the tenders: QB Donovan McNabb (Tender = 1200) QB Marc Bulger (Tender = 800) QB Brian Griese (Tender = 200) RB Tiki Barber (Tender = 2000) RB Edgerrin James (Tender = 2000) RB Curtis Martin (Tender = 2000) RB Fred Taylor (Tender = 1300) RB Chester Taylor (Tender = 300) WR Eric Moulds (Tender = 1300) TE Tony Gonzalez (Tender = 750) 23 of the 34 tendered RFA's have sold. 10 have changed teams thus far. 13 have stayed put. Only 1 player currently has an active bid (Maurice Morris). You're quickly running out of bidding time as the RFA period closes April 30th. Last edited by Preds; April 20th, 2005 at 11:08 PM.

April 21st, 2005, 01:09 AM	#43
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary Things that make you go "hmmmmm???!!!???"

April 21st, 2005, 02:35 PM	#45
Urza's Ragers Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,431	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary Was too busy reading the long thread??? I'm just deciding who I should spend my money on...patience patience

April 21st, 2005, 03:38 PM	#46
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary can someone spot me 1000 cbs so I can bid on some more RFAs? :****off __________________ 5 time Frenzy Champion - 2024, 2021, 2019, 2018, 2016 - Liquid Swords 5 time SAC'D Champion - 2024, co-2022, 2021, 2019, 2010 - Disciples of the 36 Chambers

April 22nd, 2005, 12:11 AM	#49
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary ... okay... well... EDGE might be moved! . I just thought the draft would be important... to see which teams pickup additional RBs... and how they might impact the starters PT. (Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor, Mike!)

April 22nd, 2005, 03:43 PM	#51
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary Jersey Toxic Waste gets the RFA movin' again! Wooohooo! __________________ 5 time Frenzy Champion - 2024, 2021, 2019, 2018, 2016 - Liquid Swords 5 time SAC'D Champion - 2024, co-2022, 2021, 2019, 2010 - Disciples of the 36 Chambers

April 22nd, 2005, 04:05 PM	#53
Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 946	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary 3785 RB Edgerrin James

April 23rd, 2005, 03:49 AM	#57
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary And we interrupt the first pick in the 2005 NFL draft to announce... More RFA's just got bid on!

April 23rd, 2005, 10:54 PM	#59
Urza's Ragers Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,431	Re: 2005 RFA Commentary Then bid them up!!! Hahahaha...

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