2008 SAC'd RFA Commentary

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Wooo! Got Jamal Lewis!!

I'm glad I got Lewis b/c I don't think I'd be able to pry away any of the other RBs from their tendering teams and my Plan B would've been the stud WRs... but with Chad Johnson and Andre Johnson over 3k, the 3500 for Jamal Lewis is a great value IMO.

Between Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, Brandon Jacobs, Micheal Turner, Ernest Graham, my 1.2 rookie pick, and hopefully Rudi Johnson I have to be able to find 2 RBs that can produce consistently along side Randy Moss, Steve Smith, Lee Evans, and Kevin Curtis.

Like in Frenzy, I think my team is shaping up to be a serious contender after a horrible year... if everyone can stay healthy, my downfall last year, I'll make sure I'll make it tough on Burt.

What you have there is a potential RBBC from hell (all backs with potential to put up similar numbers). Playing your matchups is going to be tricky.

[PencilGeeks]

Wow! That sounds like a stable full of definite maybe's at RB. Maybe you should've gone 'stud' receiver route? Best not be worrying too much about the old 'dead' Floyd's but instead should be losing sleep thinking about some of the new blood this year!

Correct me if I am wrong but a 1RB and 4WR line-up is valid now?

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

Correct me if I am wrong but a 1RB and 4WR line-up is valid now?

Correct you are, MR. Geekaroni!!

out....

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Preds

What you have there is a potential RBBC from hell (all backs with potential to put up similar numbers). Playing your matchups is going to be tricky.

Thus the importance of getting Jamal Lewis. Last I checked his was the primary ball carrier in Cleveland, a team that will give him plenty of room to operate with it's killer pass offense.

Last I checked I'm paying 3500k for 20.7 ppg compared to

Andre Johnson at 3400 (and rising) for 18.6 ppg
Chad Johnson at 3350 (and rising) for 15.23 ppg

So with Jamal Lewis as my #1RB, I can live with finding or playing my match ups for RB2 between Micheal Turner, Ernest Graham, Travis Henry, Brandon Jacobs, Rudi Johnson, and Rookie RB 1.2. That's 6 chances and while all maybe in RBBC... I have the lead ball carrier in each RBBC IMO.

From a PPG and total points stand point... Jamal Lewis is a better value than Chad or Andre. Considering who I am employing at WR (Randy Moss, Steve Smith, Lee Evans, and Kevin Curtis)... grabbing Jamal Lewis is even better!!

[Flaxwless]

What is with Gibril Wilson?!!

Are you guys Raider homers?

You do know Bob Sanders - Defensive Player of the Year is still out there?

[pacificscrub]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

What is with Gibril Wilson?!!

Are you guys Raider homers?

You do know Bob Sanders - Defensive Player of the Year is still out there?

Geez! No need to get personal. Couldn't you just insult their mother or something less offensive?

[Shader]

I thought 3500 for Jamal Lewis was ridiculously expensive.

[benm3218]

Now Shader you need to behave. 3500 is not alot of money for a RB of Lewis caliber. Last year alone Westbrook was 2800. Steven Jackson was 3200. Randy Moss was 2900.





Oh wait that is a rediculous amount to spend on an old crappy RB....

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by benm3218

Now Shader you need to behave. 3500 is not alot of money for a RB of Lewis caliber. Last year alone Westbrook was 2800. Steven Jackson was 3200. Randy Moss was 2900.





Oh wait that is a rediculous amount to spend on an old crappy RB....

Let me breakdown you last statement:

1) HE IS NOT CRAPPY - I'd don't understand how a RB who finished as the #6 RB in total pts and #7 RB in pts per week is crappy?

2) IT IS NOT A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT - ONLY WHEN YOU MAKE A RETARDED COMPARISON OF SAY A 2008 CONTRACT to CONTRACTS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR!

He is WORLDS better than Julius Jones who is going for 3k right now and rising. LT is out of my reach cap wise and no way is Brian letting Clinton Portis go.

Also I love how you are comparing Jamal Lewis contract to LAST YEARS deals. Really smart and such a fair comparison. Wanna know how much Jamal Lewis made LASTY YEAR? 2640!! You noobs will soon understand that you're going to have to overpay to acquire talent on the open market with multiple ways to keep talent: via rookie drafts, taxi squad, renegotiation, and franchising.

Let me make a much more LOGICAL comparison of Jamal Lewis' 3500 contract:

How much does Brain Westbrook cost now? 3800 cbs.
How much does Steven Jackson cost now? 3994 cbs.

Both were franchised, they didn't even hit the open market b/c their owners feared they'd SELL FOR MORE THAN THAT!!

What about Randy Moss? 3190 cb... but he's on my team!

Jamal Lewis at 3500 is looking like a steal now especially next to Steven Jackson whom Lewis scored more total points and averaged more pts per game. LT is going for 6350 and he averages 26.2 ppg versus Jamal Lewis (20.7 ppg) at nearly 2x the salary. You guys are really paying close to double for 6 ppg?!!

I'm willing to bet I can use that 2k in other areas to make up the 6 ppg edge that LT brings.

Hey I'm glad all you guys slept on Jamal Lewis... I just showed you n00bs how his contract holds up against the stud RBs who got new deals this year via franchise or out in FA and he averages more points per game than any of the stud WRs out there who are nearing 3500!!

Maybe you n00bs should shut yer trap and watch a master work his craft!! Championship season right here.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Let me breakdown you last statement:

1) HE IS NOT CRAPPY - I'd don't understand how a RB who finished as the #6 RB in total pts and #7 RB in pts per week is crappy?

2) IT IS NOT A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT - ONLY WHEN YOU MAKE A RETARDED COMPARISON OF SAY A 2008 CONTRACT to CONTRACTS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR!

He is WORLDS better than Julius Jones who is going for 3k right now and rising. LT is out of my reach cap wise and no way is Brian letting Clinton Portis go.

Also I love how you are comparing Jamal Lewis contract to LAST YEARS deals. Really smart and such a fair comparison. Wanna know how much Jamal Lewis made LASTY YEAR? 2640!! You noobs will soon understand that you're going to have to overpay to acquire talent on the open market with multiple ways to keep talent: via rookie drafts, taxi squad, renegotiation, and franchising.

Let me make a much more LOGICAL comparison of Jamal Lewis' 3500 contract:

How much does Brain Westbrook cost now? 3800 cbs.
How much does Steven Jackson cost now? 3994 cbs.

Both were franchised, they didn't even hit the open market b/c their owners feared they'd SELL FOR MORE THAN THAT!!

What about Randy Moss? 3190 cb... but he's on my team!

Jamal Lewis at 3500 is looking like a steal now especially next to Steven Jackson whom Lewis scored more total points and averaged more pts per game. LT is going for 6350 and he averages 26.2 ppg versus Jamal Lewis (20.7 ppg) at nearly 2x the salary. You guys are really paying close to double for 6 ppg?!!

I'm willing to bet I can use that 2k in other areas to make up the 6 ppg edge that LT brings.

Hey I'm glad all you guys slept on Jamal Lewis... I just showed you n00bs how his contract holds up against the stud RBs who got new deals this year via franchise or out in FA and he averages more points per game than any of the stud WRs out there who are nearing 3500!!

Maybe you n00bs should shut yer trap and watch a master work his craft!! Championship season right here.

God bless you Frank. Teach the newbs a thing or two!

Personally, I'm laughing at the newbs blowing their wads early. Kinda fun to watch.

[Shader]

lol. I'm glad actual trash-talking exists in this league. It will be fun.

Dude, I have no doubts that guys go for alot of money on the open market. That is quite obvious. I just wouldn't pay that much for Jamal Lewis, though you may end up looking great on that one. And I totally agree that he's a great value compared to Julius Jones, who is going FAR over his value, imo.

I welcome the "noob" designation and would like to be called the noob for the entire season, so that when the playoffs come and the noob has risen to the top, out of nowhere, with a pretty bad team, you'll all know that it was a noob that did it to you!

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Shader

lol. I'm glad actual trash-talking exists in this league. It will be fun.

Dude, I have no doubts that guys go for alot of money on the open market. That is quite obvious. I just wouldn't pay that much for Jamal Lewis, though you may end up looking great on that one. And I totally agree that he's a great value compared to Julius Jones, who is going FAR over his value, imo.

I welcome the "noob" designation and would like to be called the noob for the entire season, so that when the playoffs come and the noob has risen to the top, out of nowhere, with a pretty bad team, you'll all know that it was a noob that did it to you!

Says the guy who has Larry Johnson, Shuan Alexander, Norwood, Tatum Bell, Brian Calhoun, and Leon Washington as his RBs.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

I'm willing to bet I can use that 2k in other areas to make up the 6 ppg edge that LT brings.

Hey I'm glad all you guys slept on Jamal Lewis... I just showed you n00bs how his contract holds up against the stud RBs who got new deals this year via franchise or out in FA and he averages more points per game than any of the stud WRs out there who are nearing 3500!!

Maybe you n00bs should shut yer trap and watch a master work his craft!! Championship season right here.

Yah, just don't watch too closely, noobs. The team who had LT last year did manage to do some good with him...at twice the pay of Lewis....and still managed to find some fill-ins to help along the way with his limited budget left over after blowing his wad on this thug.....

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Yah, just don't watch too closely, noobs. The team who had LT last year did manage to do some good with him...at twice the pay of Lewis....and still managed to find some fill-ins to help along the way with his limited budget left over after blowing his wad on this thug.....

If only everyone could sign a Top 10 WR for a little over a 100cbs.

Great signing and it's the only reason you can keep LT really. As long as Welker is on your roster you'll be able to keep LT as long as you like. Also taht damn Burress for Evans trade didn't work out how I wanted it too.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

If only everyone could sign a Top 10 WR for a little over a 100cbs.

Great signing and it's the only reason you can keep LT really. As long as Welker is on your roster you'll be able to keep LT as long as you like. Also taht damn Burress for Evans trade didn't work out how I wanted it too.

Heh!!

[pacificscrub]

And considering the noobs (or is it nubes?) have helped bid up two admittedly top receivers near the mid-3k mark, one a major injury risk and one a head-case, I think they get the whole "overspending for talent" thing.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by pacificscrub

And considering the noobs (or is it nubes?) have helped bid up two admittedly top receivers near the mid-3k mark, one a major injury risk and one a head-case, I think they get the whole "overspending for talent" thing.

Hah!

[Shader]

Originally Posted by pacificscrub

And considering the noobs (or is it nubes?) have helped bid up two admittedly top receivers near the mid-3k mark, one a major injury risk and one a head-case, I think they get the whole "overspending for talent" thing.

Yes, but considering those two "noobs" are currently not the high bidders on either of those two players......

[Shader]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Says the guy who has Larry Johnson, Shuan Alexander, Norwood, Tatum Bell, Brian Calhoun, and Leon Washington as his RBs.

Thanks for reminding me! At least I have the second pick. Oh wait, that was traded away too. Ugh.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Shader

Thanks for reminding me! At least I have the second pick. Oh wait, that was traded away too. Ugh.

What an off-season for my reloading plan. Jamal Lewis AND the 1.2 draft pick!!!

[Flaxwless]

Wow!!! 6500 for LT!!!

Crazy money, crazy.

[pacificscrub]

Jamal is a fill-in, not a "re-loading" type player. If you're depending on him to carry you beyond this year, you are in deeply serious.


BTW - I have to admit that it's rather funny watching you rag on someone for comparing a contract to the previous year, then trying to justify the price you paid for an aging RB to only his previous year's numbers when his 3yr avg prior to that was 6tds and 1000 yards a season. Even if you discount his age and the ankle problems he's had in the past, I'd hardly call 3500 a steal for those numbers.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by pacificscrub

Jamal is a fill-in, not a "re-loading" type player. If you're depending on him to carry you beyond this year, you are in deeply serious.


BTW - I have to admit that it's rather funny watching you rag on someone for comparing a contract to the previous year, then trying to justify the price you paid for an aging RB to only his previous year's numbers when his 3yr avg prior to that was 6tds and 1000 yards a season. Even if you discount his age and the ankle problems he's had in the past, I'd hardly call 3500 a steal for those numbers.

How about the fact that the previous 3 years shouldn't count at all because he's changed teams! Jamal Lewis battled injuries and was forced to be THE ENTIRE Baltimore offense. In Cleveland he appears healthy, but more importantly he doesn't have to carry their offense with Derek Anderson, Kellen Winslow, and Braylon Edwards to give him room to operate.

People keep callin Jamal Lewis old but take a look at this....

Jamal Lewis Career: 2120 carries, 28 years old
RB ?????: 2365 carries, 28 years old

Who is that???




















That is LT


So if you guys strongly believe LT can continue his pace (you obviously do payingout 6500 cb), there is no reason that Jamal Lewis can't maintain his performance in Cleveland.

Again, I'm not saying that Jamal Lewis will be better than LT, but Jamal Lewis isn't the dog that many of you guys make him out to be.

[Shader]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

What an off-season for my reloading plan. Jamal Lewis AND the 1.2 draft pick!!!

Just so I know, what did you trade the previous owner of my squad for the 1.2 draft pick?

[Shader]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

How about the fact that the previous 3 years shouldn't count at all because he's changed teams! Jamal Lewis battled injuries and was forced to be THE ENTIRE Baltimore offense. In Cleveland he appears healthy, but more importantly he doesn't have to carry their offense with Derek Anderson, Kellen Winslow, and Braylon Edwards to give him room to operate.

People keep callin Jamal Lewis old but take a look at this....

Jamal Lewis Career: 2120 carries, 28 years old
RB ?????: 2365 carries, 28 years old

Who is that???




















That is LT


So if you guys strongly believe LT can continue his pace (you obviously do payingout 6500 cb), there is no reason that Jamal Lewis can't maintain his performance in Cleveland.

Again, I'm not saying that Jamal Lewis will be better than LT, but Jamal Lewis isn't the dog that many of you guys make him out to be.

Lewis is good. But the team you got Lewis from is, imo, the best team out there for now and the future. And he just got another first rounder for Lewis, keeping his cap low and getting him another solid rookie.

[PencilGeeks]

Very astute observation Shader.. tyty.. If I thought Lewis was worth the money I would have kept him, but he is not. Flax, I might be new to this league, but a Noob I am not... that is your mistake for underestimating your opponent and I am sure the upcoming season will bear that out.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Shader

Just so I know, what did you trade the previous owner of my squad for the 1.2 draft pick?

Ask and ye shall recieve -

Clan gives: 2008 1st
Flax gives: J. Cotchery, 2008 3rd, Gerald Hayes

Frank to confirm

Also, I'm out of town for the next day or so, and I know there are reneg deadlines and such, so please do the following upon his confirm:

Reneg Cotchery 277/5
Reneg Hayes 260/2

[Preds]

Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

Very astute observation Shader.. tyty.. If I thought Lewis was worth the money I would have kept him, but he is not. Flax, I might be new to this league, but a Noob I am not... that is your mistake for underestimating your opponent and I am sure the upcoming season will bear that out.

Geeks, you were handed an incredible squad. Anything you do will be the result of the team I built. Unless you completely dismantle the stud squad you were left, your "accomplishments" won't be your own for several years to come.

;)

[PencilGeeks]

True true.. I am just clearing some of the Flax.. er Chaff from the roster

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

Very astute observation Shader.. tyty.. If I thought Lewis was worth the money I would have kept him, but he is not. Flax, I might be new to this league, but a Noob I am not... that is your mistake for underestimating your opponent and I am sure the upcoming season will bear that out.

I can argue the worth of Jamal Lewis all day (last year in Cleveland he was a Top 10 RB for what it's worth), but the reason you let Jamal Lewis go has nothing to do with his performance (again a Top 10 RB in his 1st year in Cleveland) ... but rather two cost-effectiveness of the two RBs you already have on your roster: AP and Gore.

Sure a Top 10 RB isn't worth 3500 to you, when you inherited a team with TWO Top 10 RBs COMBINED making less than 3500.

Any owner would've done the same thing with Jamal Lewis... if I were in your shoes, I know I would have. That's exactly why I targeted him.

Does that make Jamal Lewis an abosolute waste and bad signing? Not for a team that needed an RB1 with modest cap space (I don't have the space to pry away LT or Portis and Lewis is worlds better than the Joneses and the rest of the FA RBs) and has a decent QB and a great WR corps (Moss, Steve Smith, Lee Evans, and Kevin Curtis) already in place.

Lewis was expendable for you, not "over-priced." If we switched teams, I think anyone owner with a brain would've made the same moves we did, but maybe I'm giving you more credit than you deserve.