RULE CHANGE: Eliminate Toilet Bowl draft bonanza *** RULE PASSES (tiebreak) ***

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Now that we have very active ownership, shall we eliminate the toilet bowl "draft lottery bonanza" and replace it with a just-for-fun, "ULTIMATE LOSER" playoff for non-championship teams... lose and you advance? NOTE: This will have NO EFFECT on the following year's draft order.

This rule change will also subsequently eliminate the need to reexamine the +7 point home field advantage for the soon-to-be-non-existent Toilet Bowl.

[Preds]

Only year one for the TB lottery for me, but I think it's kinda cool and makes things more interesting.

[Bounty Hunter]

It's not cool if you get punished for being bad at FF. Maybe that's just me.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

Only year one for the TB lottery for me, but I think it's kinda cool and makes things more interesting.

Or more frustrating...

[Liquid Swords]

Even though I've never had the opportunity to participate in the Toilet Bowl (nor do I ever plan to), I like the rule

[RManz]

Maybe a separte thread, but if the bonanza stays, I think we can lose the 7 point home field advantage.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

I think if this stays then the teams that are participating should be allowed to bid on players. If something is on the like it seems unfair to penalize owners. For example, I got screwed this year and did not have a healthy QB (I don't count Mark Sanchez) and could not bid on anyone.

[Scorpions]

to me it makes no sense to allow people competeing for 1st pick in draft to bid on players for people who are competing for the superbowl. i think those who are in playoffs are the ones that should be rewarded and allowed to compete. Toilet bowl intent is mostly to allow people to still play. Maybe we do toilet bowl, but its only for fun, and no reward. Just seems to unfair tha tif i am competing for super bowl, and a guy is competing for toilet bowl, that he can outbid me on a player.

[Burt the Butcher]

Personally, I think bidding on free agents during playoffs should be limited to those teams who have an injury that requires replacement..so you have a QB go down with injury, you can bid on QB

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Reminder... this thread is only about eliminating the toilet bowl. Not about FA claims during the playoffs. (Granted, if the toilet bowl is eliminated, then the FA claim is a moot point, because only playoff teams are still playing).

Originally Posted by Scorpions

to me it makes no sense to allow people competeing for 1st pick in draft to bid on players for people who are competing for the superbowl. i think those who are in playoffs are the ones that should be rewarded and allowed to compete. Toilet bowl intent is mostly to allow people to still play. Maybe we do toilet bowl, but its only for fun, and no reward. Just seems to unfair tha tif i am competing for super bowl, and a guy is competing for toilet bowl, that he can outbid me on a player.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

You mean we should actually have DEPTH to our squads going into the post-season?

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Personally, I think bidding on free agents during playoffs should be limited to those teams who have an injury that requires replacement..so you have a QB go down with injury, you can bid on QB

[Burt the Butcher]

well, yes, it would be incentive to keep a full roster running all year long

[Burt the Butcher]

Who still needs to vote here? Would be nice to get this resolved and eliminated...the last place team past two years have been robbed of #1 pick due to their teams being legimately sucky....

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

How can we tell who's voted?

[Burt the Butcher]

See if Pat or Mike know...I usually set up the poll to show who voted...not sure how to if you keep it anonymous..

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

See if Pat or Mike know...I usually set up the poll to show who voted...not sure how to if you keep it anonymous..

You're welcome.

No... I like it! It makes the end of the season more fun!

[Burt the Butcher]

So Shep and Matt....should we let the new guy vote also, and eliminate Scott's vote?

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

So Shep and Matt....should we let the new guy vote also, and eliminate Scott's vote?

I would allow the new guy to vote however he feels, only negative is he may not fully understand the impact of his vote. That said, Scott voted yes, and I'd like a NO vote from the new guy, so worst case is break even for MY cause...

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

I would allow the new guy to vote however he feels, only negative is he may not fully understand the impact of his vote. That said, Scott voted yes, and I'd like a NO vote from the new guy, so worst case is break even for MY cause...

Yah, you will change your tune as soon as this rule has direct affect on you...

[Preds]

That would mean I have to finish as the worst team in the league, something which has NEVER happened, nor will it with me at the helm. ;)

I believe my worst season ever in the Frenzy was 7-7... of course, until last year Jim could say something similar, maybe I should just shutup while I'm ahead.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

I'll PM Matt & Greatshepski...
I can explain the situation to Joe, the new guy... if you all trust me to not bias him.
Otherwise, I say we stick with the vote from Scott.

[Burt the Butcher]

Well, you voted same way as me, so put all the bias into it as possible...

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

We're at 6-6... without taking into account Joe's vote (the new guy).
Looks to me like we're at a stalemate.
I'm going to say this is dead in the water for this year.
Unless someone wants to appeal...

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

You're welcome.

Interesting...looks like if you have been in Toilet Bowl, you want to get rid of it...those who have not, want to keep it....

Maybe the vote should only be amoung those who have been in it? ;-) Or wait to bring it back up when more people have been burned by it...

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Interesting...looks like if you have been in Toilet Bowl, you want to get rid of it...those who have not, want to keep it....

Maybe the vote should only be amoung those who have been in it? ;-) Or wait to bring it back up when more people have been burned by it...

Easy solution, WIN

[Bounty Hunter]

Not everyone can win. Getting punished just for being bad is just not right.

[The Knights of Ni]

I really could go either way on this issue. If we can agree that we have active owners and everyone will be in to win until the end, then I don't see a problem with changing the toilet bowl to just for fun.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Soap Box Derby Car

I really could go either way on this issue. If we can agree that we have active owners and everyone will be in to win until the end, then I don't see a problem with changing the toilet bowl to just for fun.

That is the SOLE reason I voted for it.
But it's a non issue now.
Toilet Bowl stands... at least for 2013 season.

[The Knights of Ni]

I like to bring things up after they are a non issue. That's my thing. I also like to flip flop and change my mind alot.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]