TE Antonio Gates, San Diego - SOLD for 120 to Wonder Mutts

[Mutts]

100

[Preds]

105

[Mutts]

110

[Preds]

115

this kid is a super sleeper, I can't believe nobody else has jumped in the bidding (sorry Jake;))

[Mutts]

120

[Preds]

I'm very high on Gates, I think this could be an absolute steal. After Boo, Gates was the #2 TE on my target list of UFA's.

Aside from LT, San Diego has nobody else to toss the ball to. Gates is a great pickup IMO Jake, I'm surprised nobody else jumped in the bidding. I woulda stuck in it longer, but am pretty much set at TE for this year with Dallas Clark and Boo Williams.

Good luck with Gates, Jake, I think he'll do well for you.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Bubba Franks, a proven commodity and talented receiver for a good team isn't worth 225 (in your opinion), but a unknown on a crappy team that will have either a rookie or a proven sub standard QB throwing the ball and you're surprised more people didn't jump in on the bidding? Your logic really confuses me sometimes. Granted, I know you're down on Bubba, but Gates as your #2 with McMichael, Freddie Jones, and others out there, I just don't get it.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Bubba Franks, a proven commodity and talented receiver for a good team isn't worth 225 (in your opinion), but a unknown on a crappy team that will have either a rookie or a proven sub standard QB throwing the ball and you're surprised more people didn't jump in on the bidding? Your logic really confuses me sometimes. Granted, I know you're down on Bubba, but Gates as your #2 with McMichael, Freddie Jones, and others out there, I just don't get it.

McMichael will not be top 10 this year IMO. They'll be pulling him in to block more since their o-line is in a shambles (just as they did towards the end of the season). He'll also lose balls to Boston (who will then drop 1/2 the balls thrown his way). I like Freddie Jones, but there are too many other good targets on that team. BTW, neither Jones nor McMichael have QB situations any better than Gates.

Some of us have a better eye for FF talent than others... I think my record speaks for itself... now go crawl back into the Western Division Cellar where you belong young man ;)!

I know, I know, low blow...:box I just couldn't RESIST! ! :helmet

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Preds

After Boo, Gates was the #2 TE on my target list of UFA's.

Send me that crack pipe so I can smoke it to better understand your rationale? :smokin

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

McMichael will not be top 10 this year IMO. They'll be pulling him in to block more since their o-line is in a shambles (just as they did towards the end of the season). He'll also lose balls to Boston (who will then drop 1/2 the balls thrown his way). I like Freddie Jones, but there are too many other good targets on that team. BTW, neither Jones nor McMichael have QB situations any better than Gates.

Some of us have a better eye for FF talent than others... I think my record speaks for itself... now go crawl back into the Western Division Cellar where you belong young man ;)!

I know, I know, low blow...:box I just couldn't RESIST! ! :helmet

Ah, the tried and true "I won last year, so I'm smarter than you" smack. Yes, I'm familiar with that line as well since I've been using that trump card in my money league two years in a row now.

As far as Jones and McMichael not having better QB situations that Gates, that point is debatable. My "crappy team" comment including the whole situation of SD. Schottenheimer is an idiot. So is Wanstedt, but at least a proven veteran has the chance to be throwing the ball there.

Too many good targets in Arizona is a bad argument to make. That didn't harm Shannon Sharpe's numbers in Denver or Brent Jones in San Fran. Gonzo gets his yards when they have had others targets, as well as when they haven't. I'm not going to downgrade Todd Heap if Blatimore ever signs a good receiver. I can go on and on. Just like this arguement could go on and on (and i have a feeling it will).

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Ah, the tried and true "I won last year, so I'm smarter than you" smack. Yes, I'm familiar with that line as well since I've been using that trump card in my money league two years in a row now.

As far as Jones and McMichael not having better QB situations that Gates, that point is debatable. My "crappy team" comment including the whole situation of SD. Schottenheimer is an idiot. So is Wanstedt, but at least a proven veteran has the chance to be throwing the ball there.

Too many good targets in Arizona is a bad argument to make. That didn't harm Shannon Sharpe's numbers in Denver or Brent Jones in San Fran. Gonzo gets his yards when they have had others targets, as well as when they haven't. I'm not going to downgrade Todd Heap if Blatimore ever signs a good receiver. I can go on and on. Just like this arguement could go on and on (and i have a feeling it will).

hehe, I can throw the I won my money league the past 2 years smack as well, in fact I've won it 3 out the past the past 4 years! SO THERE! . And in terms of track record, I was speaking of my 3 year history in the Frenzy. Only the Squirrels are close in terms of wins and playoff appearances I believe ;)!

We'll see which TE has better numbers at the end of 2004... barring injury I like Gates to be a pleasant top 10 suprise (as high as 7th). Meanwhile, Bubba will be languishing in the bottom tiers (around 15-25 IMO), while McMichael and Freddie Jones will finish in the 10-15 range (maybe as high as 7 or 8). For the money I'd take Gates.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

hehe, I can throw the I won my money league the past 2 years smack as well, in fact I've won it 3 out the past the past 4 years! SO THERE! . And in terms of track record, I was speaking of my 3 year history in the Frenzy. Only the Squirrels are close in terms of wins and playoff appearances I believe ;)!

We'll see which TE has better numbers at the end of 2004... barring injury I like Gates to be a pleasant top 10 suprise (as high as 7th). Meanwhile, Bubba will be languishing in the bottom tiers (around 15-25 IMO), while McMichael and Freddie Jones will finish in the 10-15 range (maybe as high as 7 or 8). For the money I'd take Gates.

With this year's crop of tight ends, if Gates is top ten, I'll eat crow, and if he's top 7, I'll eat a pair of your dirty socks.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

With this year's crop of tight ends, if Gates is top ten, I'll eat crow, and if he's top 7, I'll eat a pair of your dirty socks.

hehe, be careful, I'll hold you to that!

Maybe he won't do as well as I anticipate, but I do like his upside quite a bit.

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

With this year's crop of tight ends, if Gates is top ten, I'll eat crow, and if he's top 7, I'll eat a pair of your dirty socks.

If this somehow happens we'll definitely need pics for the Frenzy scrap book. :wow

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

From Fantasy Football Mastermind's Charger reporter:
"TE: The Bolts throw the ball to the TEs quite a bit, but they have 3 tight ends who all got looks last year. My guess would be that 6-4, 260 lb Antonio Gates is your best bet, but I doubt I'd draft the guy unless I was in a deep league. Nonetheless, he could end up having a decent season *if* he ends up being the go to guy."

For what it's worth...

http://www.ffmastermind.com/2004/off...rts/eye141.php

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

From Fantasy Football Mastermind's Charger reporter:
"TE: The Bolts throw the ball to the TEs quite a bit, but they have 3 tight ends who all got looks last year. My guess would be that 6-4, 260 lb Antonio Gates is your best bet, but I doubt I'd draft the guy unless I was in a deep league. Nonetheless, he could end up having a decent season *if* he ends up being the go to guy."

For what it's worth...

http://www.ffmastermind.com/2004/off...rts/eye141.php

If you actually watched any Chargers games last year, especially towards the end of the seasn, you couldn't help but notice how much of the gameplan he became. He will be the #1 TE target there, and he will do well. Maybe not as well as I think, but better than the rest of y'all are thinking. I still think it was a nice nice pickup by Jake.

BTW, who reads FFMastermind anyways ;)

[Mutts]

My rationale for targeting Gates was pretty simple. As a rookie, Gates started only 3 of the first 8 games for the Chargers. He started each game in the second half of the season, and went off for 321 yds and 2 TDS in those 8 games (including a 117 yard effort against Green Bay). He finished the 2003 season, his rookie season, as the 19th ranked TE. (And only 32 total year-end frenzy points off the 7th place finish the Dodgers feel is so elusive!) His competition for pass targets in San Diego is Josh Norman and Justin Peelle. Not to mention the Chargers will most likely be starting a talented but inexperienced rookie who, if he knows what's best for him, will learn to rely on his TE as an outlet.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Wonder Mutts

My rationale for targeting Gates was pretty simple. As a rookie, Gates started only 3 of the first 8 games for the Chargers. He started each game in the second half of the season, and went off for 321 yds and 2 TDS in those 8 games (including a 117 yard effort against Green Bay). He finished the 2003 season, his rookie season, as the 19th ranked TE. (And only 32 total year-end frenzy points off the 7th place finish the Dodgers feel is so elusive!) His competition for pass targets in San Diego is Josh Norman and Justin Peelle. Not to mention the Chargers will most likely be starting a talented but inexperienced rookie who, if he knows what's best for him, will learn to rely on his TE as an outlet.

32 points is a lot for a tight end. Hey, you guys may be right and he could be the second coming. Then again, if you look at his target numbers you see he caught just over half the balls thrown his way. You could look at it as the QBs fault for being horrible, or you could look at it like he's not all that talented of a receiver, and once they get some better targets, he'll be the odd man out. I could be wrong on him this year, and he could have a good year. I think his long term potential is limited though regardless of how he does this year.

[Mutts]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

With this year's crop of tight ends, if Gates is top ten, I'll eat crow, and if he's top 7, I'll eat a pair of your dirty socks.

8 catches on 9 targets, 123 yds. The "dirty socks" challenge is going to be interesting! :wow

[Liquid Swords]

what's #1? Crow stuffed dirty socks?

[Preds]

I'm already regretting going after Boo instead of Gates (who I targeted in virtually every other league).

I'll try to be easy on you Brian, I'll be sure to send ankle socks (they're not as big ;)).

Top 7 is all Gates has to reach? I'd be getting nervous lol!

[Nittany Dodgers]

It's a long season boys. If ya'll seriously expect SD to play like they did Sunday, I'm disappointed.

[Mutts]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

It's a long season boys. If ya'll seriously expect SD to play like they did Sunday, I'm disappointed.

Of course noone really expects San Diego to play quite that well every week... but in 1 week Gates just put up 1/5 of the numbers necessary to make top 7 (according to last year's numbers). Gates could average 40 yds and not a single TD the rest of the way, and you'll likely be chompin' on dirty cotton! :yuk

[Philadelphia Freedom]

For what it's worth there are 12 TE's (after Sunday's action) that are on pace for historical Top 5 finishes (based on last years numbers), including:

Eric Johnson
Randy McMichael
Alge Crumpler
Antonio Gates
Daniel Graham
Todd Heap
L.J. Smith
Ernie Conwell
Chad Lewis
Dallas Clark
Freddie Jones
Erron Kinney

Either the TE bar is being greatly raised or some of these guys are going to have some pretty bad games before all is said and done.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

For what it's worth there are 12 TE's (after Sunday's action) that are on pace for historical Top 5 finishes (based on last years numbers), including:

Eric Johnson
Randy McMichael
Alge Crumpler
Antonio Gates
Daniel Graham
Todd Heap
L.J. Smith
Ernie Conwell
Chad Lewis
Dallas Clark
Freddie Jones
Erron Kinney

Either the TE bar is being greatly raised or some of these guys are going to have some pretty bad games before all is said and done.

What? Do you mean to tell me that Philadelphia won't have two top 5 tight ends this year? I don't believe it.

Seriously though, obviously Gates is better than I gave him credit for. While he has a chance, I certainly don't think his week 1 performance makes him a lock for top 7. But if he is, I've learned one important thing at the Minnesota State Fair; everything tastes better deep fried in batter.

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Just for clarification, we're getting pics of this "dirty sock" thing right? Can I use it as my new avatar?

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

With this year's crop of tight ends, if Gates is top ten, I'll eat crow, and if he's top 7, I'll eat a pair of your dirty socks.

I'm serious about the pics.......Can we get confirmation on this?



Edit to add: My season is a complete waste but it will be a satisfying year if I get to see these pics (its the little things that make life worthwhile.....).

:wow

[Urza's Ragers]

Poor poor Dodgers, their owner is gonna eat dirty socks!!!!

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers

I'm serious about the pics.......Can we get confirmation on this?



Edit to add: My season is a complete waste but it will be a satisfying year if I get to see these pics (its the little things that make life worthwhile.....).

:wow

Pics of whatever I can figure out to weasel out of this will be provided.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

With this year's crop of tight ends, if Gates is top ten, I'll eat crow, and if he's top 7, I'll eat a pair of your dirty socks.

Bumping for the Frenzy Newbies so ya can see the history on Antonio "Dirty Socks" Gates.

Read this thread, it's GOOD stuff!

Bri!